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siegecrossbow

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Chinese VLS is much bigger and more modern, let alone the AESA radar and others

but but but ....... Chinese weapon system are not tested in real war, unlike the US ;) :p ;) ... so it may not work and possibly only for show

It is way worse than that. There are only five fire extinguishers in all of PLAN and four of them are in office buildings.
 

antiterror13

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You do realize that is not possible. Australia has ground based planes and anti ship missiles. A2/ad applies in the case pla attacking Australia. Moreover, most of the vls cells in these types of destroyers are used for air defense missiles not anti-ship or ground attacking missiles. Moreover, those missiles are likely to be shot down by Australia's own air defense missile systems. I doubt even 10 type 055 can realistically destroy Australian navy or other assets. They might do somw damage but not catastrophic damage. This is not the job for air defense destroyers. You usually use carriers for offensive operations.

10 Type 055? .. are you kidding? I am sure Australian navy could be destroyed by 10 Type 055

I think 2 Type 055 and 2 Type 052D plus 1 093B would do the job just fine

But this is hypothetical scenario and it will not happen. Why would you want to destroy Aussie navy?
 

Temstar

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You do realize that is not possible. Australia has ground based planes and anti ship missiles. A2/ad applies in the case pla attacking Australia. Moreover, most of the vls cells in these types of destroyers are used for air defense missiles not anti-ship or ground attacking missiles. Moreover, those missiles are likely to be shot down by Australia's own air defense missile systems. I doubt even 10 type 055 can realistically destroy Australian navy or other assets. They might do somw damage but not catastrophic damage. This is not the job for air defense destroyers. You usually use carriers for offensive operations.
UVLS is not the same size as Mark 41, particularly on 055 which have more 9m strike versions of UVLS. It's a much larger scale weapon than Mark 41 and so can be armed with things like YJ-21. Weather or not SM-6 or SM-2 can actually stop a YJ-21 is still an open question.

The point here is 055 is much more powerful than any frigate or destroyer in RAN service (or anyone's service really) and PLAN has nine more back at home with more on the way, never mind the numerous 052D also armed with UVLS. Australian have an incorrect mental image of China's naval strength which hopefully this and future demonstrations will correct.
 

supercat

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You know that they've already lost the plot and seething with their underlying insecurities when all they could come up with in response to anything remotely positive about the PLA is "Muh Murica/Muh West already have/uses this XXX years/decades ago!!! Take that Chicoms!!!"


B1tch, China already has the capability to make North America the "Pacific Overseas Tributary Territory of the Heavenly Great Ming Empire" even before Christopher Columbus was in his mother's womb, b1tch.
The commentator really doesn't know the differences between manned and unmanned platforms? Or more likely, he is just being deliberately obtuse.

Falun Gong, nuff said. BTW, this is how FLG got its funding.

Bombing the Nord Stream pipelines has its consequences. What a surprise!

Some West-worshiping Chinese will pay more for a Western brand, from coffee to Tesla EVs, despite the wide availability of more cost- effective Chinese alternatives. However, the number of such people is diminishing by the day.
 

iewgnem

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You do realize that is not possible. Australia has ground based planes and anti ship missiles. A2/ad applies in the case pla attacking Australia. Moreover, most of the vls cells in these types of destroyers are used for air defense missiles not anti-ship or ground attacking missiles. Moreover, those missiles are likely to be shot down by Australia's own air defense missile systems. I doubt even 10 type 055 can realistically destroy Australian navy or other assets. They might do somw damage but not catastrophic damage. This is not the job for air defense destroyers. You usually use carriers for offensive operations.
Obviously if China actually want to invade Australia China will send more than two ships and it'll be after dealing with the US, but that doesn't mean there's no entertainment value in thought exercises:

- How VLS cells are filled depends on the mission, so how they're filled "most of the time" doesn't matter, what matters is are they capable of being filled to achieve the mission.
- Type 055 is capable of being loaded with 48x >1000km range anti ship hypersonics
- Australian navy has no fixed wing carriers so it's a purely naval
- Australian navy has 3x Hobart class DDG and 7x Anzac class frigates capable of firing anti air missiles, of which only the 3x Hobart class has ability track incoming hypersonics and only one ship carry SM6 to even make an attempt at intercept.
- For ASM Australia has Harpoons and NSM, both with <250km range
- All other Australian navy ships are not combat relevant.

So in the ought exercise, yes a single Type 055 operating at ~1000km standoff range from Australian coast and with satellite targeting can very much annihilate the entire Australian navy if engagement started within range.

Then the actual reason you'll need to bring multiple is to cover all sides of Australia so they can't simply run.

Australian airforce does have 7x KC30A tankers which will be required to allow their F-35s get within ASM engagement distance of Type 055 at standoff distance, and this is where the remaining VLS across the Type 055 and Type 054 comes in, and this is of course ignoring Australia lack any long distance detection, and that their NSM inventory is actually zero as of 2025.
 
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Andy1974

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So in the ought exercise, yes a single Type 055 operating at ~1000km standoff range from Australian coast and with satellite targeting can very much annihilate the entire Australian navy if engagement started within range.

Then the actual reason you'll need to bring multiple is to cover all sides of Australia so they can't simply run.
One cannot simply run from a Type 055.
 

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