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Lethe said:
The complaints from Europe about Trump's approach to Ukraine are rather strange. After all, each and every European nation can execute its own sovereign foreign policy, including in relation to matters of war and peace. Each and every European nation is likewise free to fund as much or as little in the way of military capability as it chooses, and to support Ukraine as much or as little as it chooses, including with air strikes, naval action or troop deployments. While the capacities of smaller nations remain inherently limited, at least the UK, Germany, France, Italy, Spain and Poland can individually choose to match or exceed the modest American commitment to Ukraine, and their failure to do so is a choice that each of those nations has made each day for several years now. Despite their rhetoric, evidently none of these nations have thought it worth placing their nations on a war footing with defence expenditures at 10% of GDP or greater, with corresponding disruptions to social and economic life elsewhere. Rather, each of these nations (in common with both the USA and, to a lesser extent, Russia itself) have sought to manage this conflict such that the impact on the home front remains minimal to nonexistent. It's almost as if none of this is particularly serious, except for Ukraine. Trump's attitude towards Ukraine only matters because European nations have chosen not to step up to the degree required to shape outcomes.
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Except Europe had little sovereignty when it came to Ukraine policy. What they could and couldn't give was directly dictated by America.

That's why what Trump is saying is coming across as such a betrayal in European politics. They expected their obsequiousness to previous American policy to be rewarded, instead they are expected to make a complete 180 policy shift and sell it to their populace. For 3 years all European propaganda has been directed at calling Putin the new Hitler. Now they're expected to make peace with Russia and China is the bad guy.

It's like 1984's "Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia".
 
Randomuser

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All of the above is just in Hangzhou alone btw
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This should go in the AI thread but here is something I noticed. India won't shut the hell up about AI but if you notice not only does it have basically no real groundbreaking AI development, it's companies have no plan to implement AI either.

In contrast all the robotic companies in China alone will be able to use and benefit from the tech advancements from deepseek.
 
manqiangrexue

manqiangrexue

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name said:
There are universal principles that work - being first, framing, word choice, repetition, simplification, working on emotion, social proof, etc. I want them to use effective universal principles. It has no nationality. The West uses the universal principles to win.
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If theyr'e so universal, why do I think they're so stupid? Why do so many forum members here make fun of American/Western politicians saying things that are so stupid and funny? Why do Americans even make fun of their own politicians?
name said:
Is using a double blind research experiment setup becoming Western? You're conflating things.
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No, that's science. Science is actually universal.
name said:
The usa successfully shifted the blame for their biological weapons attack onto the victim, China.
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What do you mean successfully? This actually perfectly demonstrates what I said. Only stupid people believe that. All scientists, high level thinkers, university STEM professors, intelligent people, think it's a moronic claim while MAGA red hat retarded believe it.
name said:
They got a lot of Middle Easterners to believe China committed genocide on Uyghurs.
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Did they? I think actually, China is seem in great favor in the Muslim world, much more than the US. Other than maybe Turkey, which supports Xinjiang Independence, I don't think any Muslim country believes it.
name said:
People still believe tank man got run over by a tank.
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That's called being historically ignorant, nothing I would ever want for China.
name said:
They duped Chinese people into thinking the West is a utopia.
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It was a better place to live than China and has been for decades. Only recently is that flipping.
name said:
The vast majority of people are not high iq. Good luck with avoiding people getting duped.
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Bingo! The West excels at communicating with stupid people.
name said:
These are universal principles that work. Knowing what they are and when to use them is a skill. For example see
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- things that are repeated often are more likely to be believed whether they are true or false.
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You don't have to write this twice; I already responded in the Soft Power thread. It's not universal; if they were, they wouldn't only work on stupid people. We just demonstrated this.
name said:
This is not for you to decide.
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This is for me to observe and describe. It's not a decision to follow natural order.
name said:
China already wants to "tell China's story better". And the best way to do that is to use effective communication tactics that are universal.
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The only way is superior hard power.
name said:
Tiktok is global and can reach users (possibly excluding usa in the future). Tiktok refugees at XHS show that Western hard power control is not invincible.
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And they know the West is not invincible because China's hard power has built a society that can convince them of it.
name said:
The example is irrelevant to soft power / psychological warfare.
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Because there is no soft power and psychological warfare is hard power. It doesn't have to be kinetic to be hard power.
name said:
You're talking about their internal speaking style within an organization.
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It's how officials communicate with the masses.
name said:
How is "- under promise, over deliver" going to help counter a Western psyop like the Xinjiang atrocity propaganda?
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Exactly the same way Americans are shocked with idolization seeing China now on XHS because they don't hear us loud-mouthing to them how great we were. They found the truth themselves so they embrace it; if it were fed to them, they would always be skeptical.
name said:
Again, there are universal principles that work.
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Eversince I've used that word, you've copied me. But you've done a poor job. Science is universal because it works the same everywhere to everyone. Communication is not because what is convincing to one kind people might be a clown's fart to another.
name said:
No one is is saying China should lie, exaggerate, be a mouth cannon, spread hate, etc like the imperial West. For example, is it going to ruin our culture to use more repetition so an idea sticks? If so, how?
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Just so you know, this is exactly how to talk to stupid people. By saying something over and over and over again. It once again proves that smart people and stupid people do not respond positively to the same type of communication.
name said:
China has already westernized a lot. The politburo wears western suits and ties.
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Yeah... I think our dynastic clothing looked cooler. Or even Mao-era CCP suits.
name said:
Disney has theme parks brainwashing Chinese kids all day long inside China.
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Hey, that's foreign investment.
name said:
We have night clubs, bars, raves, extreme feminism, plastic surgery to look more Western, a lot of Christian converts, celebrate Christmas, obesity, etc.
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These are not good things; I have never argued that China has successfully repelled all negative Western influence.
name said:
Using universal communication principles should be the least of your worries.
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But they don't exist.
name said:
That doesn't apply to using universal communication principles.
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That work for stupid people but not smart people? That's not universal.
name said:
This is not going to change Chinese culture. It's not going to Westernize anyone. It's like you're freaking out over Indian mental-math shortcuts. Using the shortcuts changes nothing about Chinese culture. It just makes math easier to do.
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Blabber-mouthing to dumb audiences on repeat would be a negative trend and would make Chinese politics more closely represent Western politics, especially if it's all caused by your panic on how effective they are specifically on stupid people.
name said:
Using universal communication principles doesn't change Chinese culture. It just makes influence easier to achieve. Do you understand?
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No. As I demonstrated and you fell into multiple times, nothing about communication is universal. Do you understand... yet?
 
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