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tokenanalyst

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Scientist fired from Winnipeg disease lab intentionally worked to benefit China: CSIS report​

Documents say Dr. Xiangguo Qiu's decisions 'could have impacted public safety'​




I wouldn't be so sure about that.
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I not saying that in Canada or even Europe is all rainbows for Chinese researchers, overpaid Think Tank stooges are parasites that have infected the entire Western Political system.
But in the US she would be arrested, put in solitary confinement and after spending all her savings in legal fees, at the end she would been cleared of charges but never find another job again.
 
siegecrossbow

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AssassinsMace said:
It's coming. The US will enact an "international" law where it will be illegal for anyone, including in China, to educate a Chinese child. That's the only way to be sure the West will continue to lead...
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That sounds marginally less effective than handing out maps of China with appropriate sized holes in them to incels so that they could fuck China.
 
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BlackWindMnt

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I had the same idea but I don't think it will work very well just by using Optane as memory. While Optane is much faster than NAND flash it still a lot slower than main system ram nevermind vram and I suspect to run big AI models well you are going to need all those megatransfers.

What may be possible is to have a two tier system. I have a cache system setup using Optane to accelerate my OS drive (m.2 NVME) and data volume (software raided SATA SSD) and it works well, makes the PC feel much more snappy:
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(Romex Software is a Chinese company based out of Shanghai BTW, they ended up making a better cache software than both Intel and AMD)

A similar 2 tier system might be useful to run on consumer software for memory where the main memory is the faster cache level with a larger and slower Optane level underneath.

But the problem is Intel and Micron have stopped producing Optane because they couldn't do it profitably. I wish they would sell that technology to YMTC, maybe they could do it profitably.
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Interesting, i forgot about the stuff being discontinued because i never really heard people talk about it. I could only remembered the announcement because it was some sort of holy grail back then. But by today's standard the Optane stuff seems on par with modern day .m2 nvme ssd in the 5~8GB/s mark when it comes to bandwidth. That's too slow to replace memory, i though they were hyping it up because it was like 20~35GB/s or so.
 
siegecrossbow

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tokenanalyst said:
I not saying that in Canada or even Europe is all rainbows for Chinese researchers, overpaid Think Tank stooges are parasites that have infected the entire Western Political system.
But in the US she would be arrested, put in solitary confinement and after spending all her savings in legal fees, at the end she would been cleared of charges but never find another job again.
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When shit goes down non of it matters. You’d think that Trump won’t annex Canada? Even if he doesn’t they’ll still have extradition treaty with the US.
 
manqiangrexue

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Look like America want Chinese talents and engineers just couple of years ago they thought all Chinese were spies how time change.
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LOLOL Somebody tell this guy America's already on that drug. It is only by luring Chinese scientists that America is at all present at the edge of technology. Without them, it'd be just a bunch of drunken fratboy blacksmiths trying to hammer out some semiconductor chips.
 
Temstar

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BlackWindMnt said:
Interesting, i forgot about the stuff being discontinued because i never really heard people talk about it. I could only remembered the announcement because it was some sort of holy grail back then. But by today's standard the Optane stuff seems on par with modern day .m2 nvme ssd in the 5~8GB/s mark when it comes to bandwidth. That's too slow to replace memory, i though they were hyping it up because it was like 20~35GB/s or so.
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Yes further development in NAND flash and in PCIE interface since Optane's production stopped have made it so M.2 NVME can now exceed Optane in terms of sequential read/write. However to this day Optane is still a lot faster than NAND in low queue depth random read/write. Here's the difference with my C drive (a Samsung 990 Pro) with the Optane based cache turned off and on:

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On:
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So when accessing lots of small files constantly, as an OS (and AI) does in it's operation an Optane cache makes it much faster.

With AI model it would be interest to test out. If it uses say 700GB of memory to fit the whole R1 671b model but at any one time it's only reading/writing to a small subset of that 700GB than a two tier memory with Optane as the bigger slower layer would work well for a "consumer grade" setup. But if it's constantly reading/writing the entire dataset all the time then Optane as memory would be very slow.
 
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Biscuits

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AssassinsMace said:
It's coming. The US will enact an "international" law where it will be illegal for anyone, including in China, to educate a Chinese child. That's the only way to be sure the West will continue to lead...
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We will just hit back with a true international law that states no wage earning American or American aligned person will be able to have stable housing, healthcare, nor education. That way they'll permanently stay down.

Oh wait it's already becoming de facto reality because of the ongoing economic war.

US has a lot to catch up on in escalation.
 
PiSigma

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4Runner said:
BTW, I am looking for an AI agent to keep posting here so that I can become Senior Member soon. It is a shame I am stuck as Junior Member after so many years here. Heck, I was promoted from junior engineer to senior engineer in corporate America much faster than this forum :cool:
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They have easier standards than this forum. Once again chinese standards are higher.
 
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