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dingyibvs

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MortyandRick said:
I have the same thought.
The short lived tik Tok ban showed how weak the US govt is at confronting tik tok and the Chinese govt was very open to letting people do on XHS. It was a win win for china either way.

Why would they suddenly be ok with selling Tik Tok to the Americans, and not just he US portion but global operations? This is a large steal. I would be very surprised if the usually competent Chinese govt drops the ball on this.
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IMO seeing how quickly people started moving to XHS may have exactly convinced the Chinese government that Tiktok is not that valuable. Tiktok's worth is in its user base, and if they can be easily moved over to another platform then why not sell Tiktok and then siphon all its users into another platform, perhaps even one that's behind the GFW?

It would be a big gamble, for sure, but it'd be the ultimate power move to sell Tiktok for $200B only to have its users move into Douyin, XHS, or a new app.
 
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Biscuits

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9dashline said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1882930985681228040
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Then I look forward to the free appropriated Tesla for every Chinese without a car lol
9dashline said:
if they insist on this, China is going to expose the real truth of the CIA biovirus and US False Flag of the Century
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But practically speaking, these guys are just nobodies grasping for clout. They don't even have the security clearance to understand that covid investigation is blocked to prevent more embarrassment for US.
 
broadsword

broadsword

Brigadier
dingyibvs said:
IMO seeing how quickly people started moving to XHS may have exactly convinced the Chinese government that Tiktok is not that valuable. Tiktok's worth is in its user base, and if they can be easily moved over to another platform then why not sell Tiktok and then siphon all its users into another platform, perhaps even one that's behind the GFW?

It would be a big gamble, for sure, but it'd be the ultimate power move to sell Tiktok for $200B only to have its users move into Douyin, XHS, or a new app.
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$200B for just the US would be worth it.
 
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tamsen_ikard

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Biscuits said:
The only embarrassing thing here is you, for consistently believing the same fake news source, see it's disproved a week or so later, then go and believe in the same fake news a few days later again.

Or is that your agenda?

This is just the new US party line cope which is barely worth wasting time discussing. It's their most basic modus operadi: something embarassing happens for them -> deflect to something else and promise a "victory" any moment. China not only proved Tiktok has extraterritorial rights, it further still decided to hit US with billions in losses in the AI industry despite US obeying with Tiktok.

Such a major humiliation demands the overdrive of state department channels...
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I also would not have believed this if China did not suddenly change their tone about "private companies can make their own decision about selling" nonsense. In the past, Chinese govt talked about fairness and opposing forced sale of Chinese companies. Why omit all that and just say private companies make their own choice? We all know what the choice of Bytedance was in 2020, they wanted sell everything and get cash rather than get banned. If China simply steps out, Bytedance will sell tiktok 100%
 
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horse

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FairAndUnbiased said:
here is the problem though. Even if Deepseek's total costs in RMB were converted to USD, they'd still have only spent around $50 million USD for a top tier model instead of $10 billion. So instead of a 2000x cheaper AI it is merely 200x cheaper.

This isn't like EV where it's like a 50% advantage.
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Yeah, exactly, agree with what you are saying.

The cost structure to this, is completely out of whack.

This stuff I am pulling out of my ass, because I read the article a while ago and do not remember everything.

Apparently DeepSeek uses the same number of parameters than American competitors or uses more parameters. But their algorithm is more efficient.

Either way, this Large Language Model still has to be trained. This means they had to pay for computing power. So paying for computing power is a cost, electricity, or renting a supercomputer, blah blah blah.

Suppose they bought their own equipment. That is a cost. Everyone buys the same gear from the Nvadia company.

So that is the cost, for hardware and training, and if everyone has roughly the same equipment and the same amount of parameters in their model, then these costs are comparable. It could be double, triple, or ten times more, but not 100x times more.

But we are talking about 1000x times more?

Obviously people will ask how much did the labour cost were?

Here, no one wants to say anything.

:p
 
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Biscuits

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tamsen_ikard said:
I also would not have believed this if China did not suddenly change their tone about "private companies can make their own decision about selling" nonsense. In the past, Chinese govt talked about fairness and opposing forced sale of Chinese companies. Why omit all that and just say private companies make their own choice? We all know what the choice of Bytedance was in 2020, they wanted sell everything and get cash rather than get banned. If China simply steps out, Bytedance will sell tiktok 100%
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And your source for that is what, state department times?

No we don't "all know" what Bytedance's choice is, no one has claimed to speak for them except US state mouthpieces.

Clearly if you look at real life, it would seem the choice is to rather take down the app in US.

And any sort of sale is also blocked by law.
 
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