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tygyg1111

Captain
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A concept that I am going to enjoy watching China destroy bit by bit in the next few years. May China free to world from this Anglo Zionist mother friggers once and for all and do a lot of damage to the brains of these idiots so that they never recover. Never has there been a class of people that deserve to absolutely suffer, their entitlement is beyond the pale
Genghis Khan's hordes ride again.... through the minds of westoids
 

TK3600

Major
Registered Member
A wise man once said, allow nothing get in the way of a great story; and Deep Seek is a great story. But end of the day, we need to sit down and talk about facts.

Deep Seek is not a super hero team of 200 IQ geniuses. They didn't "do the impossible." The reason they did what Big Tech. did with a fraction of the costs is because China does everything the US does at a fraction of the costs. It's the same reason BYD can sell an EV brand new for $11,500, but a "domestically built EV" cost $50,000+ in the US. It's why DJI can sell a drone for $500, but Skydio sells it at $2,000. It's why a medical procedure in China cost $500, but the same medical procedure in the US costs $5000.

It's the currency, stupid. Chinese labor, energy, infrastructure, food, medicine, everything seems absurdly cheap when converted to dollars. And that's what Deep Seek's costs were evaluated in - dollars. Nobody ever talks about the amount of energy they used to train the model and how that compares to the energy spent by other AI companies. No, we always talk about dollars, dollars, dollars - and that's the same story across every industry - China does it cheap. AI is just the latest to be hit by it.

Yes, there's a bit more to it than that. Institutional bloat - which doesn't just affect US Big Tech., but also Chinese Big Tech. companies like Baidu, Tencent, Alibaba, etc. - that also has tremendous costs. It's why Byte Dance is investing billions of dollars into the effort, while Deep Seek with its relatively small team with minimal middle management, could get away with a lot less. Fact is, if you have thirty Directors, Senior Directors, and Vice Presidents making millions of dollars a year each, it's going to cost you billions on compensation alone especially with all the usual corporate alignment, meetings, delays, etc.

But that's not just an US problem. That's a big corporation problem. It's why nobody in Chinese Big Tech. is claiming it's cheap. Because it isn't, when your corporation becomes that large.

Deep Seek's advantage is the advantage enjoyed by every Chinese company in competition vs. the US - cost. Their disadvantage will also be the same - it'll be hard for Deep Seek to keep hold of its talent in the coming days, as recruiters start reaching out to poach them for ten times the salary. But maybe that's okay. As long as China maintains a talent advantage vs. the US, and there's no shortage of young Chinese AI graduates hungry for fame and fortune, companies like Deep Seek can continue to surprise the world about Chinese costs in dollars.
Deep Seek vs Deep Rent Seek
 

supercat

Major
Im actually starting to worry about DeepSeek. Its possible Americans will send someone to murder its founder.

DeepSeek has shown a lot of money going into tech is basically a huge scam. This might have a huge impact on capital markets.

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No worries, China is not Iran, where all you have to do is to kill the top one or two researchers.
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At least from my perspective, this is a desperate struggle by some pharmaceutical companies to maintain their monopoly position, attempting to influence government decisions by turning it into a public issue.
Yes, some of the doctors may well be in the pockets of the pharmaceutical companies. The fact that they had to get a Western propaganda outlet such as the New York Times involved reeks of desperation.

The Economist is startled by China's AI development because they are staffed by fools who think the US' economy did better than China's last year.

Communism will give you nightmares and make you a victim.
 
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