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Temstar

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Mostly agree with the article but calling it “kitchen debate” is a huge knock against both Khrushchev and Nixon, who despite their flaws tried to actually steer their respective countries in the correct direction. Can you say that about the dementia ridden nightmare that’s the Biden admin?
I think normally Xi tries very hard to avoid comparing to cold war so People's Daily referencing kitchen debate is quite a change too, in this case I think it's super appropriate. Xi probably has a very good handle on China's lack of soft power is holding back actual hard power.

Cold War leaders seem to be all such geopolitical masters compared to majority of the leaders today. I've watched Khrushchev's speech at the UN he's heart is definitely in the right place even if his ability as general secretary is questionable, Nixon is a realpolitik master, even Brezhnev seems like an extremely charismatic man even if he's an asshole. Is it just because we learn a condense version of history and are only seeing their best hits or is did the quality really decrease over the decades?
 

RedBaron

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But some American users of Chinese heritage are already lamenting and disheartened by the rumoured plan of Xiaohongshu to create a separate server that will host foreign IP separate from the mainland.

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I think that's a good idea. Keeping Chinese netizens separated from the rest of the world has worked well for China over the years.

I remain skeptical about the recent developments.
 
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coolgod

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For further proof on why I think there is no going back (the Great FireWall won't be patched) let's take out our handy XJP thought app 学习强国 and review some important quotes. If you don't have it please download it before the next session. I have provided a online version with relevant sections for you to review.
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PS: I'm looking for friends on that app, I hope its group study mode can 2x the rate of accumulation of my Xi bucks, dm me with your qr codes.

学习问答 | 34.如何理解中国开放的大门只会越开越大?​

Study Q&A | 34. How do you understand that China’s door to opening up will only open wider and wider?

习近平总书记多次强调:“中国开放的大门不会关闭,只会越开越大。”这是中国对世界的郑重承诺,充分彰显了以实际行动推动建设开放型世界经济的大国形象和责任担当。
General Secretary Xi Jinping has emphasized many times: "China's door of opening up will not be closed, but will only open wider and wider." This is China's solemn commitment to the world, which fully demonstrates the image and responsibility of a major country in promoting the construction of an open world economy with practical actions. Take responsibility.

习言习语

  历史已经证明,只有坚持开放合作才能获得更多发展机遇和更大发展空间,自我封闭只会失去世界,最终也会失去自己。
Xi's idioms

History has proven that only by adhering to open cooperation can we gain more development opportunities and greater development space. Self-isolation will only lose the world and ultimately ourselves.

人们不禁产生疑问:中国开放的大门是否会关上,开放之路还能走多远?习近平总书记深刻指出:“古往今来,人类从闭塞走向开放、从隔绝走向融合是不可阻挡的时代潮流。”历史大势浩浩荡荡,经济全球化不可逆转,融入世界经济是历史大方向。
People can't help but wonder: Will China's door to opening up be closed? How far can it go on the road to opening up? General Secretary Xi Jinping profoundly pointed out: "Throughout the ages, mankind has moved from isolation to openness and from isolation to integration, which is an unstoppable trend of the times." The trend of history is vast, economic globalization is irreversible, and integration into the world economy is the general direction of history.
 
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Cyclist

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1. I said that China does not need to spend significant efforts to increase its PR in the West. This is true. China did not actively do this. If we tried, we would fail and it would be seen as a pathetic and desperate attempt to gain the approval of the young Western population. The reason we succeeded is because we did not try but the US did this to themselves.

2. As I said before, all influence and things that can be conflated with "soft power" stem from hard power. These interactions are happening to China's favor because China built such an exceptionally fabulous society. Americans marvel at the affordability and modernity of living in China because unlike them, we were able to create such a society. If China did not achieve these things, the interactions would favor the Americans who would instead experience reinforcements of their propaganda that the American way is the best way if they found our country to be backwards, vulnerable or technologically ill.

1 and 2 taken together highlight my weightlifting example (though I don't recall if I made it with you). China is disliked in nearly every aspect in the US... but not our weightifting team. They are revered in the US. Was it because they tried to improve PR and invested in outreach? No, not at all. All they did was win gold medals and break world records, and the fans came in droves. The only thing that drew them was Chinese hard power in weightlifting.

3. How useful is it? Do these people cause the US to give up competing with China? I doubt it. It's a fun victory for Chinese to enjoy and laugh at, but the fight is still hard power. America is controlled by its politicians who will always be anti-China. They are not a real democracy. Just like in Germany, when push comes to shove, the government says that it doesn't care how many people protest or disagree; it must provide military support to Ukraine against Russia. It's the same here; no matter how many young, hip, woke Americans come to realize how awesome China is, they will be sidelined in American politics and our victory can still only lay in the hard power of our military, science, and economics.

I don't really like to argue with you actually because from our last discussion, we have different opinions on what considers as hard power and soft power. So, that's why I can only agree to disagree with you.

We have the same common goal and wish for China to success. I think the China's government has many smart people to find the right balance for maintaining hard power and soft power. As many other people also said before, China needs both hard power and soft power. Soft power can buy peace (time to grow) and hard power can defend that peace.

Who knows some of those Americans who are pro-China one day will become US President.

Once again, before anyone accusing me of white-worshipping, I only reference to Joseph Nye because as far as I know, he is the first one who coined the term soft power.

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I don't agree with some of his views and just maybe to learn more the view from Joseph Nye about soft power, you can watch these interviews from Chinese media/institute with Joseph Nye:



 
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iewgnem

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"Biden administration looks for ways to keep TikTok available in the U.S.
Barring action by the Supreme Court, a ban on the popular app in the U.S. is set to begin Sunday."
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Doesnt matter if it even works, Biden trying to backtrack his own policy at last minute is already humiliating for America, lol

XHS gate has already been opened, at this point TikTok should just go through with migrating US users to real China based TikTok anyway
 

Temstar

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Editorial from People's Daily, talking about XHS in supportive tone. Note in second last paragraph the author quotes Xi saying hope for future relationship between China and US lies with the people.

I've heard from two sources (Prof Shen Yi and Ayi) saying this event has support from visionary individual from above. I'm guessing when People's Daily throw their hat in and quote Xi like that that's a "if you don't like it and want it changed you're going to have to talk to the boss" type signal, because let's be honest there are heaps of libs in government too.

ChatGPT translation of People's Daily article for your viewing pleasure:


In recent days, the news of American "TikTok refugees" flocking to the Chinese social platform Xiaohongshu has gone viral online. On the platform, Chinese and American users are engaging in lively and friendly interactions around topics like pets, beauty, food, and travel. This bustling activity is likely something the U.S. politicians advocating for a TikTok ban didn’t anticipate.

Today, social media has deeply integrated into people's daily lives, both in China and abroad. For example, TikTok in the U.S. hosts a variety of users: stay-at-home moms sharing parenting tips, freelancers showcasing their talents to attract followers, college students earning side income to pay off loans, and countless small businesses. Some share their daily lives or provide entertainment, while others rely on the platform to connect with resources or generate income. If such a platform were to be banned, many Americans would not only lose a space for communication but also their livelihoods. No wonder some American users jokingly refer to themselves as "refugees."

This news sheds light on the concept of broader trends and the collective will of people. Americans want to live their lives normally, Chinese companies want to develop normally, and citizens of China and the U.S. want to communicate freely. This is the will of the people; this is the trend of the times.

One American user remarked, “On Xiaohongshu, I see a vibrant and authentic China.” Many Chinese users warmly introduce their own lives while sharing captivating stories from across the ocean. Some have likened this encounter between Chinese and American users to a digital version of “Ping-Pong Diplomacy” or a modern “Kitchen Debate.” Beneath these humorous analogies lies a profound truth: openness, exchange, and mutual learning are enduring themes of humanity and deeply rooted desires of people worldwide.

From "TikTok refugees" exploring Chinese social apps to "China Travel" becoming a global trend; from the emotional return of Chinese influencer Li Ziqi, bringing her overseas fans to tears, to Chinese-made games like Black Myth: Wukong spreading Chinese culture to wider audiences—China today seems to naturally "draw traffic" and exude a "gravitational pull." Undoubtedly, this stems from the nation's profound historical and cultural heritage, its rapidly evolving modern appearance, and its openness, friendliness, and inclusiveness.

As one American user exclaimed, “It’s time to open our eyes and see China!” The connections between nations lie in the closeness of their people. As President Xi Jinping has noted, "The hope for China-U.S. relations lies in the people, and its foundation lies in the grassroots."

We have every reason to believe that in the unstoppable wave of economic globalization and the interconnected world of the internet, the human community with a shared future—where we are all interconnected—will only grow closer and move forward hand in hand.

In this sense, instead of calling them "TikTok refugees," perhaps it's better to call them "villagers of the global village." Instead of “wandering,” it might be more fitting to say they’ve found a “new home.”
 

iewgnem

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I think that's a good idea. Keeping Chinese netizens separated from the rest of the world has worked well for China over the years.

I remain skeptical about the recent developments.
China allowed visa free travel for a reason, the delta between western propaganda about China and reality is so big now it can be used as shock therapy.

GFH never separated Chinese citizens from rest of the world because
1 - GFW never prevented rest of the world from visiting Chinese social media, fact that westerners didnt until now is a testment to their own censorship, not GFW
2 - VPN could have been patched long ago, it didnt, because GFW is really a skill check for visiting American propaganda organs, its again a testmemt to Ameeican condition that their propaganda only work on dumb people
 

Ringsword

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I don't really like to argue with you actually because from our last discussion, we have different opinions on what considers as hard power and soft power. So, that's why I can only agree to disagree with you.

We have the same common goal and wish for China to success. I think the China's government has many smart people to find the right balance for maintaining hard power and soft power. As many other people also said before, China needs both hard power and soft power. Soft power can buy peace (time to grow) and hard power can defend that peace.

Who knows some of those Americans who are pro-China one day will become US President.

Once again, before anyone accusing me of white-worshipping, I only reference to Joseph Nye because as far as I know, he is the first one who coined the term soft power.

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I don't agree with some of his views and just maybe to learn more the view from Joseph Nye about soft power, you can watch these interviews from Chinese media/institute with Joseph Nye:



The ironic thing is China/Chinese are not creating this XHS and the like for active means against USA or anyone els but to use technological means to communicate to the Chinese people from all over about food,travel,fashion,personal/social tidbits etc yet this massive "self-ass fucking"(thanks siegecrossbow) is beyond comprehension.May I say "China wins by doing nothing....except taking care of its self".Comedy gold-I've also gain too much weight by snacking too much (likecoolgod) on too many treats because Dec 26 onward other then working-was on net receiving all these Xmas gifts.I so hope this Spring and Mid-Autumn Festival will bring me/us some more great gifts-I'll work out later.
 
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siegecrossbow

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Stability for any empire is ultimately maintained through bread and circuses and TikTok provides circuses for 180 million Americans, but also bread for many people in the challenging economy. By taking it away in such a brazen fashion a lot of people are losing their second or maybe primary form of income. This is essentially another massive layoff driven by techbro greed.
 
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