Miscellaneous News

mossen

Junior Member
Registered Member
I feel bad for the people affected by the wildfires but this is "you should've seen this coming" type of disaster.

For many years, the water crisis in California was obvious. But the state allowed large golf courses to soak up precious water and big mansions. The dry weather and climate change was only going to make matters worse. Experts warned about this but nobody wanted to listen.

Sooner or later, this had to break. And it will get worse in the future. The lesson is that you cannot fool nature.
 

Fatty

Junior Member
Registered Member

yet another Nero moment for the US. Well to do people gambling on fire containment while other rich people have their homes burned down. Some LA firefighters could make some good money from rigging this market. Probably more than their annual salary. Reminds me of those fire brigades in Rome that’d only save your house if you sold them the land at a steep markdown
 

Serb

Junior Member
Registered Member

yet another Nero moment for the US. Well to do people gambling on fire containment while other rich people have their homes burned down. Some LA firefighters could make some good money from rigging this market. Probably more than their annual salary

Dude, do you know how much that "prediction market" website and similar ones bring to their GDP alone every year? That's not gambling, this is showing how advanced the US economy is and what everyone else should focus on to learn from them. Or they will be left behind the times. This is that endless "innovation" that China can dream about.
 

FriedButter

Colonel
Registered Member
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Fire hydrants ran dry as Pacific Palisades burned. L.A. city officials blame ‘tremendous demand’​

As wildfires raged across Los Angeles on Tuesday, crews battling the Palisades blaze faced an additional burden: Scores of fire hydrants in the Pacific Palisades had little to no water flowing out.

“The hydrants are down,” said one firefighter in internal radio communications.

“Water supply just dropped,” said another.

By 3 a.m. Wednesday, all water storage tanks in the Palisades area “went dry,” diminishing the flow of water from hydrants in higher elevations, said Janisse Quiñones, chief executive and chief engineer of the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, the city’s utility.

“We had a tremendous demand on our system in the Palisades. We pushed the system to the extreme,” Quiñones said Wednesday morning. “Four times the normal demand was seen for 15 hours straight, which lowered our water pressure.”

But the DWP and city leaders faced significant criticism on social media from residents as well as from developer Rick Caruso, who owns Palisades Village mall in the heart of the Westside neighborhood. Caruso, a former commissioner for the DWP, blasted the city for infrastructure that struggled to meet firefighting demands.

“There’s no water in the fire hydrants,” Caruso said with exasperation. Through Tuesday night, he expressed similar criticism in a series of live interviews with local TV stations. “The firefighters are there [in the neighborhood], and there’s nothing they can do — we’ve got neighborhoods burning, homes burning, and businesses burning. ... It should never happen.”


L.A. City Councilmember Traci Park, who represents Pacific Palisades and participated with Quiñones in Wednesday’s news conference, also asserted her fury over the DWP’s water supply issues.

“The chronic under-investment in the city of Los Angeles in our public infrastructure and our public safety partners was evident and on full display over the last 24 hours,” Park said. “I am extremely concerned about this. I’m already working with my team to take a closer look at this, and I think we’ve got more questions than answers at this point.”

Quiñones and other DWP officials said that the city was fighting a wildfire in hilly terrain with an urban water system, and that at lower elevations in the Palisades, water pressure remained strong.

Before the fire, all 114 tanks that supply the city water infrastructure were completely filled.

Quiñones said that the hydrants in the Palisades rely on three large water tanks with about 1 million gallons each. The first ran dry at 4:45 p.m. Tuesday; the second at 8:30 p.m.; and the third was dry at 3 a.m. Wednesday.

“Those tanks help with the pressure on the fire hydrants in the hills in the Palisades, and because we were pushing so much water in our trunk line, and so much water was being used. ... we were not able to fill the tanks fast enough,” she said. “So the consumption of water was faster than we can provide water in a trunk line.”

In other words, the demand for water at lower elevations was hampering the ability to refill the tanks located at higher elevations. Because of the ongoing fire, DWP crews also faced difficulty accessing its pump stations, which are used to move water up to the tanks.

The utility on Wednesday was sending 20 tanks with water to support firefighters in the Palisades, and the tankers were having to reload at other distant locations.

“We are constantly moving that water to the FD to get them as much water as we can,” Quiñones said.

It’s unclear how widespread the hydrant issues were. In November, the lack of water from hydrants hurt the effort to combat the Mountain fire in Ventura County, when two water pumps became inactive, slowing the process to deliver hillside water.

Caruso, who also ran unsuccessfully for mayor in 2022, contended that the challenges were avoidable.

“This is a window into a systemic problem of the city — not only of mismanagement, but our infrastructure is old,” Caruso said.

Caruso, who evacuated Tuesday from his home in Brentwood, said his daughter’s home was destroyed in the blaze, and his family was waiting to hear if one of his sons had also lost his home.

Caruso said in an interview that several homes around his Palisades Village shopping center were “fully engulfed” in flames, and his shopping center, which opened in 2018, suffered damage. On Wednesday morning, scores of buildings and homes in the Palisades were reduced to ash and rubble.

“We are feeling the very personal effects of this,” he said.
“The hydrants are down,” said one firefighter in internal radio communications.

“Water supply just dropped,” said another.

By 3 a.m. Wednesday, all water storage tanks in the Palisades area “went dry,”

They don’t need more firefighters as there is nothing to fight the fire with. Palisade is an +23,000 neighborhood and it looks like the whole place is about to burn down.

No water, no insurance.
 

FriedButter

Colonel
Registered Member
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

California Insurer Canceled Policies Months Before Los Angeles Wildfires​

State Farm, one of the biggest insurers in California, canceled hundreds of homeowners' policies last summer in Pacific Palisades—the same area which is now being ravaged by a devastating wildfire.

The move was justified by the company as an attempt to avoid "financial failure" as the frequency and severity of wildfires is growing in the Golden State, especially in at-risk zones. But as the multiple fires currently burning through Southern California threaten to cause devastating losses for residents, many will likely need to rely on their insurers to get back on their feet after the blazes are contained.

Newsweek contacted State Farm and the office of Commissioner Ricardo Lara for comment by email on Wednesday early morning, outside of standard working hours.

Several private insurers have cut coverage in at-risk areas across California in the past three years, leaving homeowners scrambling to find options for coverage. As a result, California's FAIR Plan, which works as an insurer of last resort in the state, has more than doubled its policies between 2020 and 2024, reaching a total of 452,000, as reported by CapRadio.

Most insurers who have limited their offer in the state mentioned the rising wildfire risk as well as the state's regulations as the main reasons behind their decision. Unable to increase their premiums to a level that will match their growing risk, companies have decided instead to cut coverage.

This has triggered an ongoing property insurance sector crisis in the Golden State as homeowners are finding it increasingly harder to find coverage at a time when they so desperately need it.

There are three fires currently burning in Southern California: Palisades, Eaton, and Hurst. The Palisades Fire started on Tuesday evening and scorched the affluent neighborhood of Pacific Palisades, spurred on by strong winds. As of Tuesday night, it was estimated to have burned 2,900 acres.

Fire engulfs a home as the Eaton Fire moves through the area on January 08, 2025, in Altadena, California. State Farm canceled hundreds of policies in the area affected by the devastating fires last year.... Justin Sullivan/Getty Images
The Eaton Fire started near Pasadena, in Eaton Canyon, on Tuesday evening. It was estimated to have burned 1,000 acres as of later that same night.

Another fire, Hurst, was reported burning near San Fernando on Tuesday evening, according to the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection. The Angeles National Forest wrote on X on Tuesday night that the fire had spread across approximately 500 acres.

The fires continued to burn across Southern California as of Wednesday early morning, propelled by winds gusting at nearly 100 mph, as reported by The New York Times.

State Farm announced in April 2024 that it would have canceled a total of 72,000 policies in the state for houses and apartments, 30,000 of which were homes, as reported by ABC 7. According to State Farm, about 1,600 insured homes in Pacific Palisades lost coverage because of the decision.

The move came nine months after State Farm announced it wouldn't issue new homeowners policies in California.

Some ZIP codes saw a large percentage of their policies with State Farm being discontinued. More than 65 percent of policies in ZIP code 95033, in the Santa Cruz mountains, ended last summer; in 95409, near Santa Rosa, nearly 48 percent were canceled, as reported by CBS News.

In a letter sent to the Insurance Commissioner Ricardo Lara in March 2024, State Farm President and CEO Denise Hardin explained that the decision to cut coverage in at-risk areas of the state was one they were "reluctant" to make, but that was necessary for the future of the company.

"As shared with the Department prior to the February 2023 filing, rate increases alone would likely be insufficient to restore SFG's financial strength," Hardin wrote. "We must now take action to reduce our overall exposure to be more commensurate with the capital on hand to cover such exposure, as most insurers in California have already done.

"We have been reluctant to take this step, recognizing how difficult it will be for impacted policyholders, in addition to our independent contractor agents who are small business owners and employers in their local California communities."

State Farm President and CEO Denise Hardin wrote to California Insurance Commissioner Ricardo Lara last year: "We are acutely aware of the political challenges that the actions needed to improve [State Farm's] financial position pose to broader reform efforts. Please know that we have an ongoing desire and commitment to collaborate with you and your staff, as well as the Governor's office, to achieve these reforms as quickly as possible."

California authorities are, however, trying to stop insurers from backing off the state's market. In December, the state passed a new regulation which will require insurance companies to offer coverage to residents in at-risk areas. Insurers will be required to write policies in areas "equivalent to no less than 85 percent of their statewide market share."

"Californians deserve a reliable insurance market that doesn't retreat from communities most vulnerable to wildfires and climate change," Lara said in a statement last month. "This is a historic moment for California."

The 85 percent threshold required under the new regulation won't be reached immediately, but companies will have to match a 5 percent increase every two years.

Critics of the new regulation have raised concerns over the fact that the law doesn't require new policies fast enough to prevent what could be real disasters in at-risk areas, and that it could lead to consistent premium hikes.
 

Biscuits

Major
Registered Member
Dude, do you know how much that "prediction market" website and similar ones bring to their GDP alone every year? That's not gambling, this is showing how advanced the US economy is and what everyone else should focus on to learn from them. Or they will be left behind the times. This is that endless "innovation" that China can dream about.
The real gdp grower is the billionaires sitting on stacks of infinitely increasing interest, unable to move the money anywhere because it would cause panic sale. But as long as the money is stuck... It's value increases...

It's the Adani principle and how India got no3 gdp spot despite producing fuck all.

Gdp is easy to game.
 

GOODTREE

New Member
Registered Member
I feel bad for the people affected by the wildfires but this is "you should've seen this coming" type of disaster.

For many years, the water crisis in California was obvious. But the state allowed large golf courses to soak up precious water and big mansions. The dry weather and climate change was only going to make matters worse. Experts warned about this but nobody wanted to listen.

Sooner or later, this had to break. And it will get worse in the future. The lesson is that you cannot fool nature.
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

"The Mayor did ZERO prep despite the advanced warning of winds and fire risk."
 
Top