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TK3600

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I honestly also have no idea why Iran's economy is so weak. I can only attribute it to that we maybe underestimated the power and the effects of Western sanctions after seeing how greatly they backfired on China and Russia recently and how they dusted them off. However, maybe they really have great harmful potency against these regional powers and 'normal' countries. It is not just Iran, look at Venezuela for example.

These kinds of countries are already not particularly prosperous even before sanctions as part of the Global South, not to mention with such sanctions. The greatest problem of sanctions is their secondary nature that literally no one wants to have much to deal with you to not offend the US, and if you are not internally self-sufficient enough and externally influential, as Russia as of recent, and China, you are kinda done for.

Generally, an autocratic regime like the Iranian (no matter its nature, if it is theocratic or secular) should have theoretically been the most effective solution for their economy, look at what Putin did for Russia for example, or CCP for China. So, I was always surprised why their economy is so shit. So something has to be missing.

It could be true that they spend too much resources and focus on religious matters. But keep in mind that what can keep such a population of a dozen ethnic groups, with Persians barely 51%, united in one place? You guessed it. It is religion. I think that they simply have to invest so much energy precisely because of that, having a trade-off.

Also, basically, some kind of religious propaganda, heavy enforcement, and a strong hand are also necessary once again to keep everything from falling apart. They are not like China which has a strong natural cultural tendency toward centralization and collectivism organically.
What the fuck is a Chinese? We look different, speak different dialect that we barely understand each other. So I don't think race has to do Iran not being as unified as China. Because China too has diverse people under 'Chinese'. Persians can expand if they culturally assimilate other ethnicities, then race cease to matter.

Iran on other hand took the shortcut. They never believed themselves. Instead of building their mandate, they rely on superstition. Anything good they do is the work of Allah. Anything bad is their own fault since Allah is never wrong. Under this system Iran will never trully succeed. They will never have mandate, merely a middle man to their god. They are not the boss of their country, they are only managers. And since god do not exist, anyone can pretend themselves follow god better than they are.
 

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I honestly also have no idea why Iran's economy is so weak. I can only attribute it to that we maybe underestimated the power and the effects of Western sanctions after seeing how greatly they backfired on China and Russia recently and how they dusted them off. However, maybe they really have great harmful potency against these regional powers and 'normal' countries.
It is the reverse if anything. If you have the world's largest economy, chances are you need 100% of the world's other economies to sustain high growth, in that case, losing US hurts.
It is not just Iran, look at Venezuela for example.
Venezuela is basically a psuedo red Argentina and are performing like it.
These kinds of countries are already not particularly prosperous even before sanctions as part of the Global South, not to mention with such sanctions. The greatest problem of sanctions is their secondary nature that literally no one wants to have much to deal with you to not offend the US, and if you are not internally self-sufficient enough and externally influential, as Russia as of recent, and China, you are kinda done for.
They can still sell to 1st, 3rd, 4th largest markets and so on. There is no excuse but local corruption. In fact when China was a small UK sized economy after ww2, they were under total embargo by the west and eventually just grew so much that the west dropped all its sanctions except military equipment - because it wasn't affordable for them.
Generally, an autocratic regime like the Iranian (no matter its nature, if it is theocratic or secular) should have theoretically been the most effective solution for their economy, look at what Putin did for Russia for example, or CCP for China. So, I was always surprised why their economy is so shit. So something has to be missing.

It could be true that they spend too much resources and focus on religious matters.
A part of it has to be from taking a steaming dump on 50% of their population. There's a reason the moment Mao signed civil war ceasefire, he immediately set out to remove sexism at nearly any cost.

There's also other stuff they're doing that has no human reasonable explanation (such as buying western products instead of Chinese). But before complaining about not getting the US market, I'm suggesting they should first try to get all the women back into an equal workforce and on equal consumer rights, and see if that improves the economy?
But keep in mind that what can keep such a population of a dozen ethnic groups, with Persians barely 51%, united in one place? You guessed it. It is religion. I think that they simply have to invest so much energy precisely because of that, having a trade-off.

Also, basically, some kind of religious propaganda, heavy enforcement, and a strong hand are also necessary once again to keep everything from falling apart. They are not like China which has a strong natural cultural tendency toward centralization and collectivism organically.
Indeed Iran doesn't have the historical foundations of hegemony like China has. But they're also able to copy everyone else's homework as they're quite the latecomer. What I'm sadly seeing from Iran is that there's all these ideas out there, but they're not trying them. They're only concerned about bunkering up with weapons and behind these useless values which have only brought backwardsness to the region, and rely on Russia and China's overwhelming military and economic might to create an opening for Iran to seize regional control. But there is no vision about how this regional control will bring greatness to the population.
 

MonkeyEatingEagle

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I think that many people overestimated Iran. They are clearly only a standard regional power under siege right now.

They are not China and Russia who can actually take a Western all-around hybrid attack, from economic sanctions, propaganda, military provocations, and geopolitical pressure, and not only survive but instead make the West pay more and get more damage objectively.

I think that it is good Iran survived the Western total sanctions, military attacks, and intelligence operations and stands still, with a still operational regime that is better economic, military, and socio-political situation than Israel, the little overlord of the Western sphere now.

Not many countries in the world can do that. But, we can't expect more from Iran. Nor should Iran expect much help from China too.

China instead of investing in Iran, better invest in its own military, and industry, which will also eventually be used against the US anyway.

Why invest billions in a foreign country, when you will also eventually have to fight against the US yourself too anyway?

It is way safer option to invest in your own capacity primarily, which will stay there forever and you can micromanage.

People should see what happened to Assad, in fact, that's why I now respect leaders like Maduro and the Iranian regime even more.

It is truly a miracle how they managed to still keep their power and sovereignty intact after all those sanctions and secondary sanctions.

For you to be able to repel and return Western economic attacks, you need to have substantial power and self-sufficiency internally, and significant international influence.

Only great powers and superpowers can do that. Russia couldn't do that some time ago, but now it clearly can.

And if Russia managed to narrow the gap with the American empire so much in this hybrid war, imagine how much equal superpower China would pulverize them if they decided to fight it like that.

But they have no choice anyway. That's why I think that all the US frenzy about success against Assad and partially Iran now is brainless.

That's like China being proud of being able to clash to a standstill against Great Britain or France nowadays in 2024.

They should first look at how Russia beat them in Ukraine and in the economic showdown, how China slapped their economic sanctions like a fly and used their tech sanctions as fuel to develop itself, etc.

Look at that and the humiliation of the EU now (an important part of the American empire that the US center now cannibalizes).
Aren't there legitimate reasons why China invests in Iran? From simply Iran having a stable government prevents that area devolving into rampant extremism that would ultimately finds its way to China or to just having an amenable partner in the Middle East that has lesser options to play the geopolitical game unlike the UAE and KSA which ensures a certain and more predictable level of loyalty. That partner by the way is also mineral and oil resource rich with fewer markets to get to and a great counter to US and western allies militarily in said region. In fact, it is one of the main factors the US is still tied down in the Middle East and may play a role only Iran can fulfill in a future US-China conflict.
 

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What the fuck is a Chinese? We look different, speak different dialect that we barely understand each other. So I don't think race has to do Iran not being as unified as China. Because China too has diverse people under 'Chinese'. Persians can expand if they culturally assimilate other ethnicities, then race cease to matter.

Yeah, but historical Iran was always over-exposed to many other external powers all around and not as insulated as the Chinese civilization, so they didn't have space to develop such a strong homogenous cultural identity of their own. Also, their geographical core birthplace area is much more mountainous and tumultuous so harder to keep together and intermingled. That's why they end up being so divided today. Everything has an underlying reason. Also, ethnicity is not just race, it strongly implies shared culture, etc, too. It's better thought of as a mix that forms identity. I never mentioned just "race" - but "ethnicity".

It is the reverse if anything. If you have the world's largest economy, chances are you need 100% of the world's other economies to sustain high growth, in that case, losing US hurts.

I don't think so, the larger the economy you have, the more other countries can't exclude you from trade in favor of US secondary sanctions and coercion. For example, China manufactures everything in the world, has the most accumulated reserves to lend, and has the fastest-growing market, and Russia has the most natural resources and strong agricultural production (two things really crucial for life), so other countries can't exclude them. They lose more by excluding them and listening to the US than the other way around.

Indeed Iran doesn't have the historical foundations of hegemony like China has. But they're also able to copy everyone else's homework as they're quite the latecomer. What I'm sadly seeing from Iran is that there's all these ideas out there, but they're not trying them. They're only concerned about bunkering up with weapons and behind these useless values which have only brought backwardsness to the region, then rely on Russia and China's overwhelming military and economic might to create an opening for Iran to seize regional control.

Yeah, I'm largely agreeing with you, but I'm not blaming them as directly. I think they were given bad hands in terms of failing to create more unity historically on time, at least a little bit more, and everything would've been different, I don't think they would have ended in such a religion-heavy society. By this point, I think truly that they would be beneficiaries of the West's collapse, thanks to Russia and most fundamentally China, in a few years. And then they would get quite the benefits and regional power. I don't think hence that this regime will ever change. I think they can still hold on for a few more years until then and then get those rewards.

Aren't there legitimate reasons why China invests in Iran? From simply Iran having a stable government prevents that area devolving into rampant extremism that would ultimately finds its way to China or to just having an amenable partner in the Middle East that has lesser options to play the geopolitical game unlike the UAE and KSA which ensures a certain and more predictable level of loyalty. That partner by the way is also mineral and oil resource rich with fewer markets to get to and a great counter to US and western allies militarily in said region. In fact, it is one of the main factors the US is still tied down in the Middle East and may play a role only Iran can fulfill in a future US-China conflict.

China invests a lot in Iran, for all those reasons, but not enough to improve their economy significantly, just enough to keep them afloat. Because if you exclude those resources and some geopolitical stuff, there is truly not much to gain from there right now. They get way better ROI by keeping that money in China. They will invest how much is logical, and not more due to some sentiments, or to cover Iran's own economic deficiencies. That is a good approach.
 
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Australia has wrested the Border-Gavaskar trophy from India after
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3-1-1 in a five test series, only the 6th Australian victory of the 17 test series played between the two nations since 1996, and the first since 2014. Australia's victory means that it will progress to face South Africa at Lord's in the ICC World Test Championship final in June.

The largest individual stories to emerge from the series all belonged to India, with the
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offset by the reaffirmation of Jasprit Bumrah as arguably the most formidable bowler in the world right now, the latter rightly being adjudged
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despite missing the last day of play under a back spasm cloud.
India calls itself a superpower. Yet it keeps getting cucked by Australia in cricket. Something even Australians don't care about
 

AssassinsMace

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Love how that Konstantine guy when explaining how the rest of the world had slavery… when he gets to China he can only give a racist commercial as an example as opposed to the West where they killed people for their race. Does he think if people resist the West controlling them, the West can legally kill them? What a wonderful example of how the West deserves to be in control of the world. He also forgets how the West pitted people against the other to do their dirty work. That’s like how the US isn’t torturing anyone if they get someone else to do the torturing for them like in their War on Terror. Let’s forget how the West is the greatest criminals against humanity that history will ever know but somehow they think they treated the world better than anyone else. Truly barbaric thinking.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Wrong!!!! completely wrong analogy !!!!! Coming from Asia Times is no surprised, it's mostly domestic and China is a convenient excuse to prolong and seized power not only by the Marcoses BUT the whole oligarchy which the Marcos Family belong and created since most of them are their former cronies.

And about the Duterte's let's see what happen under Trump Duex, FYI during the 2016 Presidential election there is a CIA led campaign under the former US ambassador Goldberg to interfere and make sure that their prefer candidate Manuel Roxas of Liberal Party prevail, when the plan A didn't succeed they plan a colored revolution to derailed the Duterte's administration. When Trump won, Goldberg wad replaced and the two president friendship grew during the 2017 APEC meeting in Manila. After that Duterte goes on the rampage replacing all those corrupt and traitors Yellow's in gov't institution especially from the Police and the Judiciary and jailing a dirty Horny female Senator in Laila De lima. And this time with NO repercussion from the US especially the War on Drugs as Trump share his vision in eradicating the threat at any way possible.

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Nov 13, 2017 — Human rights issues “briefly came up” as the leaders met in a friendly session on the sidelines of a summit meeting in the Philippines.

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Dec 29, 2016 — Philip Goldberg and the arrogance of power.


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Dec 28, 2016 — HOUSE Speaker Pantaleon Alvarez on Tuesday called for a congressional investigation into the “blueprint” allegedly drawn up by former US ...
The problem of the article is not that it came from the "Asia Times" publication but that it was written by the Iranian-Filipino loving American bastard, Richard Heydarian.
 

Chevalier

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Love how that Konstantine guy when explaining how the rest of the world had slavery… when he gets to China he can only give a racist commercial as an example as opposed to the West where they killed people for their race. Does he think if people resist the West controlling them, the West can legally kill them? What a wonderful example of how the West deserves to be in control of the world. He also forgets how the West pitted people against the other to do their dirty work. That’s like how the US isn’t torturing anyone if they get someone else to do the torturing for them like in their War on Terror. Let’s forget how the West is the greatest criminals against humanity that history will ever know but somehow they think they treated the world better than anyone else. Truly barbaric thinking.
Did you know that whilst the Western powers were brutalising China and Chinese people, they were also inventing all sorts of sex depraved stories about Chinese people as well, such as them saying that Chinese women had sideways vaginas. That was the level of dehumanisation, but this is to be expected in such a barbarian culture.
 

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Blinken needs an excuse to the American people for going soft and trying to get closer to China. China does nothing except chop America down at tech and politics. He's got no material to work with. So he looks up at the US flag fluttering behind him and remembers, "Goddamnit; why am I racking my brain for this? I'm an American! I can make shit up out of thin air!"

Writes, "China's been a real good pal recently because of the pressure we put on them before. Seems they're really coming around since they stopped Russia from nuking us and the EU. An anonymous source inside China to me that Russia said they'd do it and China told them, 'No! America and EU are my best friends; if you wanna hurt them, you'll have to step over my dead body!' Russia said, "I thought I was your best friend?' And China responded, "Hell no! Nobody likes you!" So Russia cried and ran away. Also, China's been sending us all sorts of friendship letters recently, detailing how they look up to and admire American democracy and strive to be like us one day and maybe even join NATO! I told them we'll think about it. Anyway, for all they've done, we should be nicer to them too in return."

Xi reads the newspaper:
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Ringsword

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India calls itself a superpower. Yet it keeps getting cucked by Australia in cricket. Something even Australians don't care about
Turkey just developed a 5th Gen fighter type "Kaan" -1.8 Mach,stealth treatmentand,shaping,advance sensors,internal weapons bay etc- it is a medium ,advanced,combat aircraft type.........ooops sorry india you've been cucked.hahaha
 
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