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quim

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But this is the "holy land" promised to Israel in its 100% and their de jure borders. Owning the whole thing should be the default assumption. Failing to maintain control in any territory means absolute defeat, not fully annexing the Palestine that has blocked them for ~70 years only means a stalemate.

In 1947, the size of Israel was 20 500 km2. Today, it is ~22 500 km2. In the latest year with the war, the expansion has been nearly unmeasuable and the majority of gains come from the Yom Kippur war.

In contrast, Russia sits on ~115 000 km2 of Ukrainian land since 2022 and added 2000~ km2 over the last month.

One of these conflict look like a stalemate and the other look like an active conqueror using his arms to beat territory from his neighbor.
The entire land is militarily occupied by Israel. They just don't annex everything at once because they don't want to give citizenship to millions of Palestinians, but they create occupation colonies for Israeli settlers in the West Bank and lock up and humiliate part of the Palestinians in a ghetto like the Gaza Strip.

All groups that promised to end Israel's presence failed. Israel's presence is undeniable and growing with the help of the US and even Russia.

Therefore Israel is winning against his enemies.
Do you realize how small Israel is? The entirety of Israel is smaller than Crimea, and the Gaza strip which Israel can't even hold against civilians resistance is only 6km wide, literally less than a single day of Russian advance in Ukraine....
Yes, Israel is small, but a small country that defeated big countries and militias like Egypt, Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas.

The same people here who say that Russia is winning say that Israel has lost or is in a stalemate. This is contradictory.

The outcome of a war is determined by the objectives achieved. Official objectives.

Remember that denying reality is just useless.
 
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Bellum_Romanum

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What's worse about this whole thing (viewed from the civilian side) is that reports have already been made to the German police on two separate occasions prior to the attack, warning them about his extremist views and intentions on Twitter.


In fact, Saudi Arabian authorities even warned Germany about this guy and asked them to repatriate him back to stand trial. But German authorities refused to hand him over on the "muh asylum to flee political prosecution" grounds.

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What a boomerang. But hey, all the "muh freedom, muh liberty" Westoid countries will never learn.
 

Biscuits

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The entire land is militarily occupied by Israel.
No, on a daily basis, there are ongoing fights. You don't have military control if you lose 100s of vehicles.
They just don't annex everything at once because they don't want to give citizenship to millions of Palestinians, but they create occupation colonies for Israeli settlers in the West Bank and lock up and humiliate part of the Palestinians in a ghetto like the Gaza Strip.
But they allowed Palestinians to kill 1000s of them and even kill their generals.

What can be the meaning of that except Netanyahu's lack of either willpower or capability to fight?

The likes of Iran or even further away Russia and China don't care about individual Palestinian soldiers, they are only trying to damage Israel's annexation progress, stir up international controversy and inflame tensions between different factions in the west.

Their goal isn't the destruction of Israel, but only the destruction of the pro-western component in Israel.

And when the pro West government is not able to take land or put up meaningful economic resistances against say Russia or even China, it is simply encouraging them to keep putting Israel under a deadly siege, which I'll remind you has displaced 100 000s of Israeli civilians.

The war only provides profit to China and then by extension also for Iran, which is accruing discounted weapons and wealth for their role in engineering the conflict.
All groups that promised to end Israel's presence failed. Israel's presence is undeniable and growing with the help of the US and even Russia.

Therefore Israel is winning against his enemies.
Palestine is not gaining ground, so Israel is winning, albeit very slowly, more slow than anyone could have predicted perhaps from an army that is supposed to be 2nd only to Turkey in the close region against a city as small as Mariupol...

But the goal of US' enemies isn't to destroy Israel, in fact they have a history of letting Israel work for them by providing intel on US, their only goal is to make the territory Israel is on cooperate with their designs. Whether the state on that territory is named Israel or Palestine, they don't care.
 

pmc

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Well, its clear to which countries you're ascribing the above scenarios to, but is that really the case in reality?

Take Israel. In Lebanon, prior to the ceasefire Israeli troops had already reached the Litani river. But territory was never their objective, decimating Hezbollah was. And can one really argue they didn't complete their objective, when after the war Hezbollah was so badly mauled they weren't able to help Assad in any capacity and are now cut off from Iran? Hezbollah started the war supposedly as the world's most powerful militia, they now arguably have a combat capability just slightly above most Mexican drug cartels with that slight edge being owed to whatever's left of their missile arsenal that Israel hasn't destroyed.

On top of that, Israel is in the process of bisecting Gaza and has completely occupied the Golan heights, an objective they've pursued for decades, which the new Syrian government is unlikely going to get back unless Turkey decided to strong arm Israel into returning it, which they're unlikely to do. Frankly as much as we all hate to see it, if Israel really wanted to complete the settlement of the West Bank, who's stopping them at this point?

On the other hand, the Russo-Ukrainian war is still ongoing after 2 years, soon to be its 3rd year. Sure, Russia is winning right now, but victory is being achieved with a slow grind through the southeastern part of Europe's poorest nation, plus they still haven't managed to recapture the sliver of territory that Ukraine captured from them, going as far as to request North Korean assistance in order to do so.

With the Israelis, the geopolitical consensus is even if they wanted to do the most diabolitical shit to the Palestinians, nobody is standing in their way at this point. Whereas with Russia, questions still remain about how much more resources they need to devote to achieve total victory over the Ukrainians, what their definition of "total victory" is, and if they're satisfied with just conquering Donbas or if they still want all of Ukraine up until the Dnipro.

I think its clear in this scenario which side has largely completed their objectives and which side is technically in a stalemate despite gaining ground.
Russia with much much more strike power dictate battles with more of targets in Ukraine than Ukraine with its tiny offensive potential. Area control should be measured what can be hit and defended. i dont think Russian side has official percentages.

Is there evidence Russia ask for North Korean assistance regarding Ukraine? South Korea is doing is such good job for Arabs that they want more of Korea. so Russia has start from somewhere with North Korea. Certain things you learn by observing there was clip on Arabic news i cannot remember but maybe about Bangladesh IMF loan tranch. the way it was presented that like they did. There is not single muslim country that can be financially rescued if Arabs dont want it. This much control and it same kind of barrier they are creating in Ukraine. Even the birthday video start with Tatar products starting with Presidential Ty-214. you only reveal selective things when it is matter of that soft power.

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Equation

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The entire land is militarily occupied by Israel. They just don't annex everything at once because they don't want to give citizenship to millions of Palestinians, but they create occupation colonies for Israeli settlers in the West Bank and lock up and humiliate part of the Palestinians in a ghetto like the Gaza Strip.

All groups that promised to end Israel's presence failed. Israel's presence is undeniable and growing with the help of the US and even Russia.

Therefore Israel is winning against his enemies.

Yes, Israel is small, but a small country that defeated big countries and militias like Egypt, Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas.

The same people here who say that Russia is winning say that Israel has lost or is in a stalemate. This is contradictory.

The outcome of a war is determined by the objectives achieved. Official objectives.

Remember that denying reality is just useless.
That's what ya'll use to say before the Romans came. Any remaining fighting Israelis retreated to a Mountain fortress in Masada only to kill each other off before the Roman Legions broke through the barricade. "God's chosen people" rot thar bubba.
 

Ringsword

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OMG! Thomas Friedman must be going insane. I’m watching him on cable news right now and he has his NYTimes column on how the US and China can resolve their differences. He’s saying China should allow US tariffs without Chinese retaliation so that Elon Musk can rebuild the US’s manufacturing capability to catch up with China and in exchange the US will allow Taylor Swift to perform in China because if they don’t, Chinese young people will tear China apart because they’re big Taylor Swift fans and will riot. The US military won’t destroy China. China’s young will for the US. He admits because of Trump starting his trade war on China during his first term, that ignited China’s technology and manufacturing skyrocketing past the US. So he wants China to allow the US to catch up or else the US will deny Taylor Swift to China which will cause China’s destruction. I’m having internet access issues so maybe somebody here can check his article out getting past the paywall to confirm if he’s gone senile. I dare you to deny Taylor Swift!!! Nothing he’s claiming is actually bad for China and it’ll be by his own logic more likely the end of the US and the West, aka not bad for China. I’m still stunned that he said that. Even former US Senator Claire Haskell who was there asked him for clarification.
Senility and alcoholism must be addling Friedman's brain-not Columbia SSBN'S,not Sentinel ICBM ,not B21 Raider bomber but 15 year old Chinese girl Swiftie fans will devastate China-is this a Saturday Night Live/Mad TV parody??This is basically admitting defeat before US Congress in the most absurd way.
 

ansy1968

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Senility and alcoholism must be addling Friedman's brain-not Columbia SSBN'S,not Sentinel ICBM ,not B21 Raider bomber but 15 year old Chinese girl Swiftie fans will devastate China-is this a Saturday Night Live/Mad TV parody??This is basically admitting defeat before US Congress in the most absurd way.
For Him American culture will eventually prevail against Chinese culture, like most American Elite he failed in History and Geography class or never even attended. He correlates trends as culture, his naivety is so obvious and his hubris is so evident that he never fact check his article and considered his POV as facts, AN EMBARRASSMENT for western society as a whole cause NOBODY challenge his assertion in the so called Free world.
 

Ringsword

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Literally this:


"We've been fighting against the Chicoms since 2010! How could the data coming out of Chyna don't fit our narratives and liking! Chyna should be the source of negative news only, not positive! Those Chicoms should know their places in the world as an overpopulated, backward, collapsing sh1thole!! REEEEEEEEEEEE!!!"

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There IS an backward,overpopulated,collapsing sh*thole of a nation with a billion plus population ......but it is NOT China.
 
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