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iewgnem

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The whole war experience thing doesn't even work with China lately.

How much experience did late Qing have? They had loads of experience in fighting yet they got their asses kicked by everyone. Japan kicking their ass was particularly humiliating because what experience did Japan have outside its civil wars?

How much experience did the Communists have compared to the KMT? I mean the KMT went through warlords and fighting Imperial Japan in its prime. So you figured the KMT would have learnt something and put bets on them (even Stalin did). Yet they somehow got their asses beat by communists in record time.

How much experience did the communist have when fighting America and the UN who were only a few years removed from WW2 and had the latest technology? Still didn't stop America getting kicked out of North Korea.

I remember a saying that a smart man learns not from his own mistakes but others.
Nobody has experience fighting a hot war at the scale of a China-US conflict, the scale of industrial output China can mobilize for example has never existed in human history before.

Given this, the side that falsely believe they have experience is at a disadvantage to the side that knows it does not.

As America's own Mark Twain puts it: "It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so."
 

coolgod

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It's already passed in parliament, not sure if he's in custody yet.
From Yoon's position it may be a good time to get in a car and drive towards the 38th parallel. He's already banned from leaving the country via normal means.
Didn't Kim already blow up the roads connected to South Korea? That's some foresight right there.
 

manqiangrexue

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Experience does matter, but what you have learned from that experience matters even more. The Syrian Army had 13 years of war fighting experience. What have they learned? Helicopters picked up US collaborators from the rooftops of Saigon in 1975. Then they did it again in Kabul in 2021. What have the Americans learned? India had more recent combat experience than China, but their Jawans were routed at Galwan 2020. What have the Indians learned?

China doesn't have recent war fighting experience. But it is constantly learning by observing other people's experiences. They've watch what had happened in 1991 in Iraq, and in 1996 in their own waters. Since then, they've been striving to build a brand new military.

What have the Americans learned since 1991 and 2001? They have learned that wars with smaller nations are more fun and that these kinds of wars are good business. They've learned to optimize their military towards smaller and smaller conflicts. They've learned to make more money for less. Gone are the days where America could produce tank divisions. Now they want to produce premium systems at low production rates and sky high prices. Much of America's true formidable strength lies in legacy systems that were brand new in 1991. When these systems are attritted, they cannot be replaced in a reasonable amount of time, and some are even irreplaceable. The new systems can't come online fast enough.

America have learned from it's war experiences to build a military of luxury. While China have learned from no recent war experience to build an actual military that can stand against a Superpower.
I've heard this excuse before by the Americans that they are more experienced at war than China and seeing the opponents they fight, I've put it simply that the US bragging about this type of combat experience is like a heavyweight world champion-level fighter bragging that he is more experienced than his challenger because his opponent just does bag work and drills while he has curb stomped a dozen 5 year olds before.
 
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MortyandRick

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China does have very updated experience through its attaches in Russia. I'd say the amount of experience in modern war is about equal to US, since US have their own connections in Ukraine as well. US might have a little bit more experience in naval defense thanks to Ansarallah, but we're talking against very limited weapons.

The real question is which force is more responsive and adaptable to the info/experience they acquired. Going into ww2, German and French army had roughly the same access to experience, but the lessons drawn from said experience was very different.
Does china actually have attaches in Russian learning from their SMO?

It would be valuable learnings if that is the case.
 

Temstar

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Didn't Kim already blow up the roads connected to South Korea? That's some foresight right there.
Yeah he did:
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It may be North Korea could sense something unusual was happening, there's more evidence of this:
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So sensing Yoon's people might try to provoke a war to keep Yoon in power Netanyahu style Kim deliberately arranged it so they keep well clear of any of this stuff, since they currently have a good thing going with selling weapons to Russia.
 

plawolf

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26 year old, from Maryland, very Italian name. No known political extremism. Potential motive uncomplicated.

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If this is indeed the guy, then there is actually a reasonable chance that a jury will simply refuse to convict him given the cross spectrum grass root support for his actions. As such, there is also a reasonable chance he will be Epstein’d in police custody to prevent that outcome.
 
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