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HighGround

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No, the problem with these sanctions is that there is no such thing as total annihilation even in 2016. Rules are just pieces of paper. China has scientists and engineers, they will always find a way.
The point isn't that you're going to keep China at X technology level forever. The point is that it would've been far more effective had it been done earlier.

The earlier this was done, the greater the challenge. The Biden administration gave China training wheels instead of meaningful obstacles.
 

Africablack

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They went from talking about a 2 front war against Russia and China to talking about fighting a war on 3 fronts if not 4 fronts.
Overreach. They'll stretch themselves way too thin.

Wasn't the crew on that Chinese-flagged bulk carrier predominantly Russian? I stopped taking that article seriously.
 

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They went from talking about a 2 front war against Russia and China to talking about fighting a war on 3 fronts if not 4 fronts.
It's the unprecedented level of aggression from US that caused these issues to begin with.

1. US has been preparing for an attack through unprecedented military buildup. Despite being (generously, by assuming 1:1 GDP value) just 80% of China in economic size, the US navy has almost 700% more major surface combatants and 400% more CBGs. The growth of the US 5th gen fleet has also outpaced China's.

2. US laid the political groundwork for an east China invasion through numerous "diplomatic" visits to anti government fighters.

3. US encouraged it's allies (such as Baltics, UK) to promote territorial revanchism against China. This is important because it shows that US foes not want to constrain a war to Asia, but will rope in aggressors from other places.

China is addressing no1 and 2 by stimulating the military, collective security, reshoring critical tech home, and weakening US manufacturing with targeted measures.

No3 is the big cause of concern. We can infer that in an US attack in Taiwan scenario, US will use its malign influence in the UN and over the EU to institute illegal sanctions on China for defending itself. This is something that China must absolutely not accept.

In lieu of that issue, China too must create a multi front military. The requirement should not only be for active defense in Asia, but a capability to destroy vast amounts of infrastructure in Europe and the middle east. This would let China punish European interference in its fight for survival against US.

Should a country on Eurasia support or abet US aggression, with the multi front PLA concept, those countries themselves will bear the heaviest price.

Currently, the PLA has one of the lowest budgets among developed country militaries. That can and should change. On the other hand, just spamming money will not cause linearly improved results. China also needs more recruits and reserves in order to actually pilot/operate all the equipment created by a notional budget increase. To that end, they need to use much of the current stocks of PLA weapons as trainer platforms, using today's small PLA to build the core of trainers/NCOs/specialists and act as the pilot program for tomorrow's large PLA.
 

TK3600

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Yes, 200 years of democracy, my favourite myth.
1865 - end of slavery
1920 - women's suffrage
1964 - Civil Rights Act
1965 - Voting Rights Act (Prior to this, many southern states used poll taxes to actively suppress poor African Americans from voting)
What 200 years?


It's not all the Indian people's fault in themselves...
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The horror!

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And US is on steady decline since 1965. How curious.
 

supersnoop

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The point isn't that you're going to keep China at X technology level forever. The point is that it would've been far more effective had it been done earlier.

The earlier this was done, the greater the challenge. The Biden administration gave China training wheels instead of meaningful obstacles.
That might be your point, but it seems like they actually think they can keep China at a set technology level forever. All they talk about is banning, who they missed banning, etc. etc.

Here is a particular vomit inducing gem:
Among AI’s three components — data, algorithms, and hardware — hardware is the area where liberal democracies have the best chance of developing a long-term competitive advantage over China

Honestly, wtf is this assertion? This is some Falun-Gong/Scientology-aliens-are-living-amongst-us BS dogma. "liberal democracies"? No, it's just capital, and well-established companies/educational institutions, what does politics have anything to do with it?
 

HighGround

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Honestly, wtf is this assertion? This is some Falun-Gong/Scientology-aliens-are-living-amongst-us BS dogma. "liberal democracies"? No, it's just capital, and well-established companies/educational institutions, what does politics have anything to do with it?

Standard tribalism. You should be used to it at this point, it happens all the time.
 

supersnoop

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And US is on steady decline since 1965. How curious.
Are you actually trying to suggest that African Americans are responsible for the decline of the US? I really hope you are not suggesting this kind of racist nonsense BS.

Because of the oppressive nature of life in the south, millions of black Americans moved northward in the post civil war era, taking advantage of the growing need for industrial labour in places like Detroit.

Furthermore, how was America declining since 1965? If anything it was on the rise despite setbacks like Vietnam. The 90's were probably the height of American power with no other country even close.
 

Temstar

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Dammit I missed out on the drama while asleep. Yoon's coup lasted less than 4 hours and now he's done. This is the worst coup attempt yet after Prigozhin's Moscow Run. When Chun Doo-hwan did it in the 80s he was a real general and had nurtured a close fraternity of officers that would carry out his orders. Yoon has no military background and he recently cut even further into the army's food budget. He should be glad that 707th Special Mission Group even showed up to do a half ass job of surrounding the parliament building.

Say what you will of him but Min Aung Hlaing remains this decades shining example of how you actually organize a coup.
 
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