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Bellum_Romanum

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I think the takes here vis-a-vis Dong Jun are too optimistic. Mao Ning's “shadow-chasing”(捕风捉影 )doesn't explicitly denies it.

Perhaps it's just a rumour reported by FT, sure. But then it should be treated like a rumour, to be confirmed and also kept in mind.
That's also a possibility that can't and shouldn't be ruled out. Since there's precedence in terms of early denial and obfuscation (for legitimate national security reasons) from prior high ranking defense and non-defense officials (Qin Gang comes to mind) about their sudden disappearance and strong rumor linking the aforementioned people from being entangled with matter that affect state security.

Let's wait and see how things unfold in the following days, weeks, and months to see where Adm. Dong Jun ends up.
 

Temstar

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That's also a possibility that can't and shouldn't be ruled out. Since there's precedence in terms of early denial and obfuscation (for legitimate national security reasons) from prior high ranking defense and non-defense officials (Qin Gang comes to mind) about their sudden disappearance and strong rumor linking the aforementioned people from being entangled with matter that affect state security.

Let's wait and see how things unfold in the following days, weeks, and months to see where Adm. Dong Jun ends up.
The rumour from Ayi is there is an investigation, but Dong Jun is helping the investigation and not the subject being investigated.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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HighGround

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That's also a possibility that can't and shouldn't be ruled out. Since there's precedence in terms of early denial and obfuscation (for legitimate national security reasons) from prior high ranking defense and non-defense officials (Qin Gang comes to mind) about their sudden disappearance and strong rumor linking the aforementioned people from being entangled with matter that affect state security.

Let's wait and see how things unfold in the following days, weeks, and months to see where Adm. Dong Jun ends up.
I agree. I think people were too dismissive of the FT article.

Time will tell.
 

pmc

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LOLOLOL The Arabs would be so bankrupt they wouldn't even have a bank if they weren't sitting on oil. Don't make it look like the Arabs chose some magic soft power instead of hard power. They didn't think and they didn't choose. They were just lucky. If they were smart and understood science, they could fund it with their oil and rule the world. But they are stupid, so they are at the mercy of those who understand science and hard power. Those countries are the ones that sell the Arabs C tier weapons at A+++ tier prices and put shut off switches in them. They can use their A tier weapons to kill the Arabs and take their oil if they don't cooperate. Nothing beats science and nothing beats hard power.
Yeah sure. I dont see China even acknowledging the issues let alone challenging them. Arabs have alot of even hard power it is just you refuse to acknowledge it and this SCO is at mercy of them. its all one sided trade. It will become much easier for US to seek relation with Russia if Europe decline continues and these two powers together work more effectively for Arabs. In Ukraine conflict prisoner/children exchanges. there is Arabic soft power involved. What makes you think Arabs are not ruling the World. just look at flight routes and top class civil aviation own by Arabs. they are now the center of the divided world. you should analyze why so many scientific societies are bankrupt.
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I do not care. Russian innovations do not depend on any Arabs.

That's about right; without hard power, there is no "soft power" so "soft power" is no power at all.

What is this? You need pictures to show that Russians have missiles? You have ADHD or something? Why all the useless pictures?
yes it does. some thing like Telegram is visible. Medvedev explained this Telegram founder want to become a world citizen aka liberal . when famous person have some thing done to him than easy to draw attention. only Arabs capable of creating this situation where founder is separate from tech firm to run it effectively inside the Arabic system.
Su-34 wings allow it to have more than MIG-31K so many more Kinzal it can carry but this first hint came from Arabic language . This is not a minor missile considering its range relative to its size, warhead and speed. Arabs provided the opportunity to Russia to have that extensive real training in Syria and Russia created its most complex overseas airbase for Arabs. Russia knows what kind of society Arabs trust long term. you are mistaken to think every thing not revolve around Arabs. just admit it you havent research this Arabic Soft Power.

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jiajia99

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The Financial Times engaging in disinformation against China

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Sooner or later, no one is going to trust these main stream outlets when they have gotten so much wrong and have done nothing to explain why so much of the USA right now is poor as hell. Not even trump is going to help solve this mess and heck I reckon the FT is going to start spew crap about Trump as well, making everything worse. It’s like an near ending loop in an echo chamber with these people
 

PandaAI

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Here's the article in full:

From the Financial Times:

"China has put its defence minister under investigation in the latest corruption-related scandal to hit the top of the People’s Liberation Army, according to current and former US officials familiar with the situation.

Admiral Dong Jun, who was named in December 2023 after his predecessor was fired for corruption, is being investigated as part of a broader probe into graft in the PLA, the US officials said.
He is the third consecutive serving or former defence minister to be investigated for alleged corruption.
Dong succeeded General Li Shangfu, who was ousted after just seven months in the job. Both men were appointed by President Xi Jinping.

The Financial Times was the first to report that US officials believed Li was under investigation for corruption. Li had succeeded Wei Fenghe who was also placed under investigation for corruption after he had retired from the role.
The US official said Xi was conducting a wave of investigations into the PLA that had ensnared Dong. It remains unclear what kind of corruption allegations he is facing.

China’s embassy in Washington declined to comment.

The news comes a week after Dong attended an Asian defence meeting in Laos at which he refused to meet US defence secretary Lloyd Austin — which Austin described as “unfortunate”. The two men had first met in Singapore in May at the IISS Shangri-La Dialogue defence forum in the first significant minister-level engagement between the two militaries since November 2022.
China’s defence ministry blamed the US for the rebuff, saying Washington was “solely responsible” because it had recently approved a package of weapons for Taiwan, which for the first time included advanced surface-to-air missiles.

The dispute came days after US President Joe Biden and Xi met at the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum in Peru and reiterated that their militaries should continue to hold direct communications.
China shut down military communication channels with the US in August 2022 after Nancy Pelosi became the first Speaker of the US House of Representatives to visit Taiwan in 25 years.

Xi agreed to reopen the channels when he held a summit with Biden in San Francisco a year ago, paving the way for Dong and Austin to meet.

The investigation into Dong suggests Xi is broadening his probe into corruption in the PLA. In addition to the removal of the defence minister’s two predecessors, China’s president had previously removed the two officers who headed the PLA Rocket Forces and oversaw China’s nuclear weapons programme.

In 2022, Xi also removed Qin Gang, who he had appointed as foreign minister, following reports of an extramarital affair with a Chinese woman in the US.
US military officers and officials have suggested investigations into the PLA were undermining Xi’s confidence in his military and raising questions about whether it would develop the capability to invade Taiwan by 2027 — a goal set by the Chinese president. (HORSESHIT AND BOLD FACE LIE).

Unlike the role of defence secretary in the US government, the defence minister in China is not the most powerful military figure in the Chinese system, which is headed by the vice-chairs of the Central Military Commission. Instead the defence minister serves as the international face of the PLA.

Earlier this year, Dong was not appointed to the CMC as expected, in an unusual development that raised questions about his tenure.

End of article.

**Italics and Bolded words are my personal comments.

Why is it that after each meetup with Chinese appointed Defense Minister with SECDEF Lloyd Austin the Chinese officers ended up getting investigated and rather unfortunately subsequently sacked from the job for CORRUPTION CHARGES. WTF!!

Is Lloyd Austin that charming and Uber persuasive in coercing/corrupting his Chinese counterparts? Lol WTH.

If Adm. Dong Jun is found to be corrupt, then the PLA despite all the advances it made in equipment and technology is in my opinion so thoroughly compromised -- my perception only. It's no wonder why the Americans and it's vassals including the chihuahua Philippines aren't afraid to challenge Chinese claims in the SCS. This latest incident isn't going to give the PLA a whole lot of confidence within its rank and file, it's elastic allies, and in my opinion actually just emboldens the enemy.

Perhaps it's no wonder why China has been talking about peace this peace that, because it's not at all confident with the actual capabilities of its own military. Casualty averse due to the genius plan of Deng Xiaoping and the hyperfocus on material wealth while slowly but surely losing the martial spirit of the Chinese people.

What the flying f..k is their MSS or whoever f..ng doing the vetting on selecting these f..kd up officers. Who even leaked this news to the FT for the 3rd bleeping time? I mean to quote the former British Spy and writer of James Bond, Ian Fleming: "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action"

People doing the vetting of officials should get more scrutiny if these allegations are true unless the corruption happened after being in office. The leakers of national security information should be fully prosecuted too.
 
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