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supersnoop

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Cops in China don't have enough chances to use their firearms regularly. That's the initial reason why they don't deploy firearms much.

China is nearing the bottom end of violent crime, adding more powerful weapons to cops will not do anything because they're already nearly maxed out on street crime prevention. I think if we are to look at a reform to stop some of what few mass shooters/stabbers remain, police would need to use preemptive crime prevention methods. Such as profiling based on personality, history and recent events. Of course there are very real concerns of power abuse.

But probably the budget can be used on more cost effective measures that will save more lives than a notional national level predictive AI anti-mass shooter program. Since it is an extremely low incidence in China. Using the money to fight organized crime and drug trade, to rehab petty criminals etc would likely be more efficient resource use.

On the other hand, creating a novel system to stop mass shooters will be a more prestigious and PR marketable step.
I don't think you can ever reduce crime to zero. Maybe you are just a big Tom Cruise fan?

Then why not improve more training and or increase the funding in training instead of just removing the whole practice altogether

I'm not plugged into the what happened. It just seems that the decision makers decided it wasn't worth the trouble. Even taking this recent car attack as an example, there's not much a handgun could have done.
 

SinoSoldier

Colonel
Their government really shouldn't be censoring the attack in Zhuhai. It impedes the investigation, does the victims an injustice, and destroys the trust that the public has in the leadership (not that there would be much to begin with).
 

supersnoop

Major
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Their government really shouldn't be censoring the attack in Zhuhai. It impedes the investigation, does the victims an injustice, and destroys the trust that the public has in the leadership (not that there would be much to begin with).

They are controlling the flow of information, not censoring it. If they were censoring it, then they are doing a sh*t job because literally the entire world knows about it.

The alternative is Freedomland USA where a non insignificant amount of people think dead kids and grieving parents are just actors. Literally the definition of mistrust in the government.
 

TK3600

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Interesting that this post came right after you told me to get out of the mindset that America had any legitimacy to begin with and it only had brute force. So what if America seized power through violence? So did the Romans, so did the Caliphates, so did Chinese dynasties, but they all cemented their rule through legitimacy and America is no different. (Well tbf in the case of the caliphates, they largely had their Persian subjects to thank for making them legitimate) Democracy, Capitalism, Rule of Law, you can't deny all of these were buzzwords that America used to justify its rule and win the hearts and minds of people around the world. And even if it was hogwash, especially since the 90's what alternative global ideaology existed?

My point exactly was that as it stands, Trump is going to weaken democracy and the rule of law, and that capitalism's failure to distribute the profits equitably is what lead even many people who are not racist being willing to put up with him for another four years. You want Chinese people to "shut the fuck up about imaginary west," let Trump cook and turn the apple pie of America into a burnt inedible shell while China works and gives its people the sweatest, plumpest 汤圆 they've ever tasted.

Laying everything down on the media once again, lol. Biden for four years fed a narrative to the American people through the all mighty media apparatus of CNN, MSNBC, BBC, NYTimes that the American economy was the best in the world, and that they should be thankful unlike recession wracked Europe and Japan or those Chinese with their paltry 5% GDP growth. But just last week those same people told him and his entire party to fuck off.

The CPC is not such a government, they acknowledge their shortcomings and actually win legitimacy through material benefits that the Chinese people can actually feel in their hands. There's still work to be done, but they actually are devoted to their work while America continues to be the giant circus with no bread.
People having fantasy is not American legitmacy. It is more hatred to own home than America being good. They could pick any other country to mask their own desire of not getting big enough pie. America is an excuse.

And no, Trump did not change that perception west = profit. Your point is still invalid even under your misinterpretation of my post.
 
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Elevenz

Just Hatched
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Their government really shouldn't be censoring the attack in Zhuhai. It impedes the investigation, does the victims an injustice, and destroys the trust that the public has in the leadership (not that there would be much to begin with).
Serious question, do you ever get tired of concern trolling or are you just addicted to attention seeking by posting bait?
 

Index

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Their government really shouldn't be censoring the attack in Zhuhai. It impedes the investigation, does the victims an injustice, and destroys the trust that the public has in the leadership (not that there would be much to begin with).
False, I can see updates about the crime scene just as clearly as a satellite can see your ancestral bathhouse in the slums of Mumbai, not that there's that much of it uncovered by filth anyways

Shits always going on in your country too, it's just that both our media and the western media think too lowly of your lives' values to even bother reporting on it. Have some fucking respect for the victims.
 

Bellum_Romanum

Brigadier
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Their government really shouldn't be censoring the attack in Zhuhai. It impedes the investigation, does the victims an injustice, and destroys the trust that the public has in the leadership (not that there would be much to begin with).
You gotta stop injecting your ignorant opinion Indian. Go build the trust in your own country first before you lecture the Chinese and China how well regarded the government to its people.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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People having fantasy is not American legitmacy. It is more hatred to own home than America being good. They could pick any other country to mask their own desire of not getting big enough pie. America is an excuse.

And no, Trump did not change that perception west = profit. Your point is still invalid even under your misinterpretation of my post.
Merchant mentality, which is why it was deemed at the bottom of the social ladder during earlier Chinese dynasty for a reason.

It's also one of the primary reason(s) why successive Imperial dynasties collapse due to the treachery and incitement of the merchant class whose loyalty is not to their heritage, culture, land, or even family but to their love of money/wealth.

Taken from an excerpt I read on the Chinese economy read as follows:

There's an old adage that “the tragedy of Asia is that Japan is a profoundly socialist country on which capitalism was imposed, while China is a profoundly capitalist country on which socialism was imposed."
 

coolgod

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Or the government might just be telling it as it is, because that's what actually happened. Chinese people aren't idiots, they are horrified by events like this and aware of the underlying social tensions. In fact, its deeply insulting to the victims and Chinese peoples' intelligence while they are grieving and concerned to just throw out a, "hmmm I wonder how America was somehow involved in this?" Its insulting for normal folk to do this, not to mention if the government did this people would expect a geopolitical response and it would play into narratives that the government hypes up the threat from America and intervention in Taiwan to distract people from economic problems. Peddling conspiracy would be just straight up moronic on their part and I thought people here are always complaining about how the CPC sucks at communication?

You think its a scarier explanation that the most siginificant geopolitical challenger to the US's hegemony has an internal security apparatus with more holes than Iran's to allow for CIA funded attacks like this, rather than the sobering but accepted reality by many that struggling members of society are lashing out with violence? Umm....okay? Plus do you even hear what you're saying? When CIA funds terrorism globally, they always align with organizations with a clear ideaology where the members believe in dying for the cause. In this case, you're telling me that the CIA has been able to extend its tentacles to every lone wolf, unemployed incel in China and order them to carry out these kinds of attacks that benefit no greater cause and where any reward is moot since these attackers either kill themselves or get the death penalty anyway? One must have to have a really low opinion of Chinese internal security to believe that.

As for the latter being "scarier," it is, but its also reality and governments derive their legitimacy from solving problems like this. The CPC has a mandate exactly to do this, so its more important to be truthful about the real issue rather than stick to conspiracy.

Chinese police never carry guns and are usually docile since street crime is rare in China, and the most they respond to are personal disputes that don't need a heavy hand. Plus like anywhere else in the world, every Chinese has a phone so they're always being scrutinized for their actions.

Considering how deadly this attack has been though, I do wonder if the party will change their tune and allow cops to be more armed and to have more leeway in crime prevention.
Did China tell it like it is during the terrorist attacks in the past two decades? Did China ever claim the CIA trained, armed and moved those terrorists around the world? Did China magically discover a way to prevent CIA backed terrorist attacks in China?

Yea, Chinese people also aren't naive. The second/third deadliest terrorist attack of the century in China happened on the eve of Zhuhai Airshow, relatively close to where many foreign dignitaries are staying. Whens the last time you heard of a deranged lone wolf killing even half as many people as this in China? Quite a lot of coincidences don't you think.

It may be fun for you to make fun of Iran's internal security, but perhaps the reality is China's internal security isn't as good as you might think. Other countries usually don't create incidents within China not because they can't but because they are scared of China's retaliation.
 
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