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FairAndUnbiased

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Arij Javaid said:
You don't show restraint. In china's case regarding Taiwan. I can understand that china is figuring out the right time so naturally, it has to play things nicely to get people addicted to Chinese products.
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In Taiwan's case, it is the complete opposite. China forcefully responds every time.

When Pelosi landed in Taiwan, the response was to fire bunker busting ballistic missiles over the entirety of Taiwan, into Taiwan's claimed territory (within 12 nm), that they were unable to shoot down or even track, surround it with warships, fly into its airspace with manned planes, took photos of their power plants, and even fly a drone right into one of their battalion commands, taking pictures of individual soldiers, with the drone so close that they can see it and throw rocks at it, but unable to shoot it down.

US response?

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was peaceful. There is no justification for this extreme, disproportionate, and escalatory military response. Let me say again that nothing has changed about our “
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Think about that for a moment.

If Iran buzzed their airspace, shot missiles effectively, took aerial photos of bases, flew a drone into a battalion command post, even if it didn't cause 1 casualty, then the US came out and said "this is a disproportionate response, there is no need to escalate tensions here, this is an unfortunate incident and we support a 2 state solution"... would Iran be in this situation today?

We all know the answer.
 
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Minm

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FairAndUnbiased said:
In Taiwan's case, it is the complete opposite. China forcefully responds every time.

When Pelosi landed in Taiwan, the response was to fire bunker busting ballistic missiles over the entirety of Taiwan, into Taiwan's claimed territory (within 12 nm), that they were unable to shoot down or even track, surround it with warships, fly into its airspace with manned planes, took photos of their power plants, and even fly a drone right into one of their battalion commands, taking pictures of individual soldiers, with the drone so close that they can see it and throw rocks at it, but unable to shoot it down.

US response?



Think about that for a moment.

If Iran buzzed their airspace, shot missiles effectively, took aerial photos of bases, flew a drone into a battalion command post, even if it didn't cause 1 casualty, then the US came out and said "this is a disproportionate response, there is no need to escalate tensions here, this is an unfortunate incident and we support a 2 state solution"... would Iran be in this situation today?

We all know the answer.
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China is a superpower. Iran is not. China has nuclear weapons and is safe from conventional attacks. Iran doesn't have the same luxuries. If you hit back, you'll lose. So it's better to give the terrorists some other targets to hit, like Hezbollah

Iran should focus on building nukes for deterrence
 
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It's official, the Israelis killed the Secretary-general of Hezbollah, Hassan Nasrallah:(
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It saddens me to see yet another major figure of the resistance killed. Nasrallah is not the finest military leader out there, but he had led Hezbollah to fight in Syria, helping to save the country from falling to ISIL and Al Qaeda before the Russians came in. He didn't just saved Shia Muslims, but also normal Sunni Muslims, Christians, and Druze from those terrorists groups.

Without a proper IADS and an air force, there is little that Hezbollah could do to stop the Israeli airstrikes. Intelligence wise, I believe Hezbollah and Iran have been badly infiltrated by Mossad. In addition to probably being betrayed by Turkey and Qatar.
 
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Minm said:
China is a superpower. Iran is not. China has nuclear weapons and is safe from conventional attacks. Iran doesn't have the same luxuries. If you hit back, you'll lose. So it's better to give the terrorists some other targets to hit, like Hezbollah

Iran should focus on building nukes for deterrence
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Well when China was building nukes all the key scientists had to become unperson and go into middle of desert without even telling their family where they are going and what they are up to. Troops who did the physical work were pulled from the Korean front and directly sent to Lop Nur without them able to contact home. All that to ensure the safety of the project because neither Soviet Union nor USA wanted to see China go nuclear, this all happened when China was far from being a superpower.

In Iran you have their top nuclear scientists just living at home and going to the market for groceries and getting killed by Israeli assassins.

Or if we don't go that far. Two years ago in the aftermath of Kharkov Counter attack it looked like Russia was on track to lose the war. And you had Prigozhin and his 80,000 Wagners stepping forward and laying down their lives in the Bakhmut meatgrinder singlehandedly absorbing NATO's firepower and shatter countless Ukrainian brigades, just so they can prove Russians deserve to live in this world and buy time for Surovikin to fix all the fuck ups.

Compared to these examples what proof do we see from Iran that shows hey have the moxie to be a pole in the multipolar world?
 
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Sardaukar20 said:
It saddens me to see yet another major figure of the resistance killed. Nasrallah is not the finest military leader out there, but he had led Hezbollah to fight in Syria, helping to save the country from falling to ISIL and Al Qaeda before the Russians came in. He didn't just saved Shia Muslims, but also normal Sunni Muslims, Christians, and Druze from those terrorists groups.

Without a proper IADS and an air force, there is little that Hezbollah could do to stop the Israeli airstrikes. Intelligence wise, I believe Hezbollah and Iran have been badly infiltrated by Mossad. In addition to probably being betrayed by Turkey and Qatar.
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That could make the situation a bit worse for Israel and more for the US, you see, organizations like Hezbollah do not disappear, that is why Israel will never ever defeat Hamas unless genocide 2 millons+ palestinians, killing the main head will pass the power to people who probably has less restrain and are less willing to negotiate, complicating the situation with the US, who doesn't want Israel to be in state of perpetual war and become a never ending money pit. ​
 
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tokenanalyst said:
That could make the situation a bit worse for Israel and more for the US, you see, organizations like Hezbollah do not disappear, that is why Israel will never ever defeat Hamas unless genocide 2 millons+ palestinians, killing the main head will pass the power to people who probably has less restrain and are less willing to negotiate, complicating the situation with the US, who doesn't want Israel to be in state of perpetual war and become a never ending money pit. ​
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You're right. Hezbollah is not the Lebanese Army. They are not gonna collapse because it's leaders are dead. Other leaders will step up and continue the fight. These kinds of resistance groups will always adapt. Only thing is it's sad to see another long-serving veteran die from Israeli's superiority in intelligence and technology.
 
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Arij Javaid

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You're right. Hezbollah is not the Lebanese Army. They are not gonna collapse because it's leaders are dead. Other leaders will step up and continue the fight. These kinds of resistance groups will always adapt. Only thing is it's sad to see another long-serving veteran die from Israeli's superiority in intelligence and technology.
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Israel's adversaries are outmatched in intelligence technology. That's bound to happen.
 
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Well when China was building nukes all the key scientists had to become unperson and go into middle of desert without even telling their family where they are going and what they are up to. Troops who did the physical work were pulled from the Korean front and directly sent to Lop Nur without them able to contact home. All that to ensure the safety of the project because neither Soviet Union nor USA wanted to see China go nuclear, this all happened when China was far from being a superpower.

In Iran you have their top nuclear scientists just living at home and going to the market for groceries and getting killed by Israeli assassins.

Or if we don't go that far. Two years ago in the aftermath of Kharkov Counter attack it looked like Russia was on track to lose the war. And you had Prigozhin and his 80,000 Wagners stepping forward and laying down their lives in the Bakhmut meatgrinder singlehandedly absorbing NATO's firepower and shatter countless Ukrainian brigades, just so they can prove Russians deserve to live in this world and buy time for Surovikin to fix all the fuck ups.

Compared to these examples what proof do we see from Iran that shows hey have the moxie to be a pole in the multipolar world?
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Iran probably could build a bomb today, but they don't dare to do so. China is much, much bigger than Iran and in a much more strategically secure position even in the 1960s, not sure why I have to point this out.

If you want to talk about land wars, I'd say Iran has proven it's willing to sacrifice for its own lands. But Arabs are not Iranians.
 
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