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manqiangrexue

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The measurement is fine since LGFVs trade with implicit guarantees and thus their debt is China’s debt and the growth in debt levels is not “augmented” debt as much as its growth in CGBs, from China’s tax cutting and spending spree.

Even if you were to add agency debt (FNMA and FHLMC) and U.S. state/municipal debt, it wouldn’t move the needle. But of course, the IMF numbers also don’t count other debt in China - namely, that of the 3 policy banks - China Development Bank, China ExIm, and the Agricultural Development Bank of China - all of which have enormous liabilities with implicit guarantees. None of this changes the fact that CGB debt is growing substantially faster than UST debt; albeit, both are growing for more or less the same reason (political expediency of tax cuts and social spending).
US debt to GDP much higher than China's (129% vs 77%).
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And much more of America's debt is external than China's (95% to 13.7%). Already proven below.

You have much more to worry about in your own country. Any US president would gurgle a hobo's balls to get a reduction to China's debt levels.
Nope. If the U.S. defaults on its debt and/or breaches the contract terms of borrowing, the only allowable mechanism would be for investors to sue in the the U.S. Court for Federal Claims (Ct. Cl.), which appeals
To the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit (CAFC). This is because the US has sovereign immunity and simply cannot be sued without its prior consent, see Hans v. Louisiana, 134 U.S. 1 (1890); accord. Department of Agriculture Rural Development Rural Housing Service v. Kirtz, 601 U.S. 42 (2024); and the only place where the federal government has allowed itself to be sued in court is in it’s own court, in the heart of the empire, the District of Columbia, with judges appointed to 10 year terms to serve at the pleasure of the president.
It's called making your money and bonds worthless. America stands on borrowed limbs by the global trust in its fiat money. For it to default on its debts would be a far greater positive for China than any monetary losses.
 
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manqiangrexue

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It was literally just Karen, deputy counsel for blah blah blah at the USTR going on vacation.

tariffs are headed on Sept. 27, 2024; right on queue with the Xinhua whining

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Hey, at least we don't send politicians to your country and incessantly nage and beg over and over again for you to buy our debt and betray your allies for us as we start trade and tech wars with you. Let the tariffs come; America wants its inflation back and it's welcome to have it.
 

chgough34

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Yeah, that's why China's in a much better position. China has an external debt to GDP ratio of 13.7% while America's is 95%.
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Nope. External debt measures claims by foreigners on all U.S. debt securities (treasuries, agencies, corporates, municipals, private credit, asset backed securities, syndicated loans, and MBS). It is not specific to public debt. External debt is a measure of combined annual capital accounts - that the U.S. runs a current account deficit (and thus a capital account surplus) is entirely unsurprising due to low savings rates from a century of growth and stability obliterating risk perceptions. Further, that foreigners desire to buy all kinds of U.S. fixed-income investments is good - both for the liquidity and capital formation it provides, and as a testament to the enduring confidence foreigners place in US corporate management, future economic growth, and stable governance. Heck, even the instinctive reaction of state-owned investors in China like China Life and ICBC is to buy agency MBS with every dollar they come across. China having an underdeveloped fixed-income market that leads corporates to be heavily dependent on corrupt bank finance is well established (and for which the csrc has been attempting to fix, but flailing badly) and hence, the lack of foreign interest in Chinese bonds (even Chinese insurers like Ping An don’t buy many Chinese corporate bonds and just play it safe with CGBs, policy bank bonds, USTs, agency MBS, and U.S. IG corporates)
If you know this, then what's up with this stupid post below pretending that China has the debt problem rather than the US?
China simply has an unsustainable fiscal trajectory with its tax cut and spend policies. That is entirely unrrelated to the technical details of how the U.S. implements GASB.
Oh a $1 trillion problem is gonna become moot, right? LOL What an imagination, just like all the bogus charts you bring up from Twitter without checking fact-checking as long as they seem to say what you want to hear.
The federal governments debt has a weighted average maturity of 5 years. The entire national debt will reprice in 5 years at substantially lower rates and thus federal interest expenses will reset to the same snooze they were throughout the 2010s.
For China to dump all US treasuries would have for wider reaching consequences for the global economy and its stability than just 1 day's worth of business. It signals the conflict that no market knows how to deal with or what to expect.
Markets shrug off U.S.-China tension. Literally no U.S.-China headline breaks the S&P 500, particularly so since U.S.-China trade is a small portion of the U.S. economy, and the 301 tariffs that were supposed to be reigning fire and fury on the U.S. economy ended up doing nothing. Even the most ideologically dedicated free traders had to dig into the most obscurata of the census of agriculture to be like “oh if you see here, there are farmers with mid-sized plots in Linn County, IA growing soybean monocultures that saw a 3% decline in farm gate revenues”. Expecting a temporary doubling of treasury volumes to be the world’s most disastrous financial event is truly lol.
And tell Janet Yellen to not come over here on any more begging tours for China to buy US treasuries/debt.
US treasury auctions are well oversubscribed from domestic primary dealers and the world ex-China. She wasn’t there to sell treasuries
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AssassinsMace

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Trump is such a dumb idiot. His latest stupidity because everyone is saying Kamala Harris destroyed him in the debate is saying if he's President he's going to eliminate overtime pay from being taxed. I thought he was going eliminate income tax all together and foreign counties will pay American's income tax through imposing tariffs on all foreign products...

He's going punish countries for leaving the dollar. A recent example is Thailand who wants to join mBridge because using the dollar with another country not the US cost them more in the exchange. Of course Trump doesn't care about that. The US and the West have to set it up where the world has to pay a tribute to them because they're not going to be in control of world economics. And he forgets that countries like Thailand if they exporting products to the US, chances are it's a product outsourced by an American company who will be paying the tariff thus the American consumer ends up paying it.

On the news now, they're making fun of Trump not knowing how tariffs work. The thing is that's lie the US has long been telling Americans hence why Trump believes it. Back when Obama was President he slapped a tariff on tires. Because of him all tires in the US now cost at least double from before. Before you could get a good tire for that price. Now all tires are crappy when you're paying more than ever. Obama fooled Americans too on the assumption those tariffs were a tax on China. Telling the truth about tariffs is really a recent event.
 

manqiangrexue

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Once in a while, you show a little life and I get to beat it right back outta you... You just ain't up to what you used to be.
Nope. External debt measures claims by foreigners on all U.S. debt securities (treasuries, agencies, corporates, municipals, private credit, asset backed securities, syndicated loans, and MBS). It is not specific to public debt. External debt is a measure of combined annual capital accounts - that the U.S. runs a current account deficit (and thus a capital account surplus) is entirely unsurprising due to low savings rates from a century of growth and stability obliterating risk perceptions. Further, that foreigners desire to buy all kinds of U.S. fixed-income investments is good - both for the liquidity and capital formation it provides, and as a testament to the enduring confidence foreigners place in US corporate management, future economic growth, and stable governance. Heck, even the intrinsic reaction of state-owned investors in China like China Life and ICBC is to buy agency MBS with every dollar they come across. China having an underdeveloped fixed-income market that leads corporates to be heavily dependent on corrupt bank finance is well established (and for which the csrc has been attempting to fix, but flailing badly) and hence, the lack of foreign interest in Chinese bonds.
What do you mean, "nope?" You boasted that American debt was mostly in American hands and now I showed that that is much more true for China than it is for the US.

And now you're doing that classic shit you always do, after claiming that America is better because it has lower external debt, then when that is proven false, claim that America is better because it has higher external debt LOL. Half the time, it boils down to you vs you.
China simply has an unsustainable fiscal trajectory with its tax cut and spend policies. That is entirely unrrelated to the technical details of how the U.S. implements GASB.
If China's is unsustainable, we'll see the US collapse first and then then decide if we need to do something about it.
The federal governments debt has a weighted average maturity of 5 years. The entire national debt will reprice in 5 years at substantially lower rates and thus federal interest expenses will reset to the same snooze they were throughout the 2010s.
5 years later is the imaginary situation in your head. The current situation is $1T in interest.
Markets shrug off U.S.-China tension. Literally no U.S.-China headline breaks the S&P 500, particularly so since U.S.-China trade is a small portion of the U.S. economy, and the 301 tariffs that were supposed to be reigning fire and fury on the U.S. economy ended up doing nothing. Even the most ideologically dedicated free traders had to dig into the most obscurata of the census of agriculture to be like “oh if you see here, there are farmers with mid-sized plots in Linn County, IA growing soybean monocultures that saw a 3% decline in farm gate revenues”. Expecting a temporary doubling of treasury volumes to be the world’s most disastrous financial event is truly lol.
Markets "shrug off" a scenerio that I described that didn't happen. What is there to shrug off? Nothing at this point. What you wrote is irrelevent diarrhea... again.
US treasury auctions are well oversubscribed from domestic primary dealers and the world ex-China. She wasn’t there to sell treasuries
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That's not what this says.
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“Finding buyers for US debt is the top mission of Yellen. From a medium-and-long-term perspective, China is disposing of US debt,” it says. “Who else will buy it? Japan is the biggest creditor of the US but cannot buy more. The United Kingdom is facing an economic recession and sold $30 billion of US debt in April.”

She's begged China for help on US debt, asked China to stop making so much stuff, and to not help Russia. Too many nonsensical requests earned her nickname "the Beggar" in China.
 
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Chevalier

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Why are people angry at a business getting people to spend money and possibly having more baby-making sex with their husbands?

:rolleyes:

Also, reading and education improve attractiveness? These must be 剩女.
Because these women are lazy and would rather not out in the effort to please their husbands even if it is just a duty. Only in the closeted homosexual west do they consider it normal for men to be in sexless heterosexual marriages because their leaders are gay.
 
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