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sndef888 said:

Keyword is stable. Biden Harris represent the quiet stable imperialism of old, while Trump's brash policies expose American imperialism for the world to see

For example under Biden, arms sales just seem like perfectly normal things. Under Trump, they were exposed to be what they actually are: tribute payments.

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That's your interpretation of what they want, but basic desires are simple. You either support American imperialism and dominance or you don't; if you do and you're pissed off at the prospect of losing it, Trump will sound pretty good to you. He's going to appeal more on a primal level than Harris. Whether you prefer a stable slow decline or for someone to try something crazy and risk losing a big chunk of it at the possibility of reversing a negative trend is going to depend on who you ask and how you interpret it.

In general, I see Democrats willing to burn to house to bring down Trump but I don't see the Republican party turning against him; the right-leaning news channels haven't. But once again, I don't follow this closely so maybe you know some events that I don't know.

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manqiangrexue said:

That's your interpretation of what they want, but basic desires are simple. You either support American imperialism and dominance or you don't; if you do and you're pissed off at the prospect of losing it, Trump will sound pretty good to you. He's going to appeal more on a primal level than Harris. Whether you prefer a stable slow decline or for someone to try something crazy and risk losing a big chunk of it at the possibility of reversing a negative trend is going to depend on who you ask and how you interpret it.

In general, I see Democrats willing to burn to house to bring down Trump but I don't see the Republican party turning against him; the right-leaning news channels haven't. But once again, I don't follow this closely so maybe you know some events that I don't know.

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Trump said he is not going to ban tiktok, because he wants competition against twitter. He is against EVs which is good for Chinese EV
displacing tesla worldwide.

sndef888 said:

Keyword is stable. Biden Harris represent the quiet stable imperialism of old, while Trump's brash policies expose American imperialism for the world to see

For example under Biden, arms sales just seem like perfectly normal things. Under Trump, they were exposed to be what they actually are: tribute payments.

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Who is this “world”? Which countries exactly are you playing to that don’t already have stable political preferences?

If you really want to compete with China effectively then this money should have been spend on domestic investments into the economy.

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That feel when you're not doing anything and someone just forces business into your hands.

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I expected as much. Although Rosatom still is not sanctioned because the West needs TVEL's enriched uranium. Russia has like half the world's uranium enrichment capacity.

Siemens could either be providing the nuclear reactor control systems, or the electric components to connect the power plant to the electric grid. The Germans probably think they are safe from Rosatom retaliation because they no longer operate nuclear power plants. But this could lead to them losing some future business in Turkey as well.

France is also supposed to deliver the steam turbines used in the nuclear power plant generators in Turkey. We will see if those will cause a problem as well or not.

It is not like Russia does not have second sources. Besides China there are others. For example Russia can make the steam turbines by itself if necessary. But I think Rosatom gets like $10 billion USD a year from selling enriched uranium to the West. So they need to spent that funny money on something.

PS: Like I thought Siemens is not providing equipment used to connect the nuclear power plant to the electric grid.

Delays in the supply of equipment from German Siemens complicated the construction of the Akkuyu NPP. As Denis Sesemin told the Turkish edition, 60% of the switchgear equipment is awaiting permission from the German government for export from July 2023. However, it has not been received so far.

"Despite the absence of sanctions, official bans and other restrictions, joint attempts with Turkey to ensure the supply of 400 kilovolt gas equipment also failed, as a result of which a decision was made to change suppliers," Sabah writes with reference to the director of production and Construction of Akkuyu Nuclear JSC.

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manqiangrexue said:

LOL That's the propaganda department equivalent of the USAF's $90K bag of bolts purchase.

Wasn't bad for China last time. Showed us the path to tech indigenization, lost a trade war to us ending America's hegemonic status (hegemons aren't even supposed to be challengeable not to mention losing), started a tech war they can't win, botched COVID response, etc...

That's not to say Harris is bad for China either; same old same old with her. It's basically the US picking if it wants to get knocked out or choked out.

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Kinky bitch would probably choose the latter option lol

Franklin said:

If you really want to compete with China effectively then this money should have been spend on domestic investments into the economy.

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This I really do not understand.

These last few years, the anti-China rhetoric from the Western media really has reach Cold War levels when Chairman Mao was still around.

All I can tell, the only people truly on board with America in their anti-China campaign, are those bureaucrats in the EU. For everyone else in the world, it is business as usual with China.

More business dealings, some friction, more business dealings, some more friction. Like what has really changed? Other than American resentment going through the roof.

What exactly is more anti-China propaganda going to accomplish?

What has current anti-China propaganda has accomplished?

I really don't know.

horse said:

This I really do not understand.

These last few years, the anti-China rhetoric from the Western media really has reach Cold War levels when Chairman Mao was still around.

All I can tell, the only people truly on board with America in their anti-China campaign, are those bureaucrats in the EU. For everyone else in the world, it is business as usual with China.

More business dealings, some friction, more business dealings, some more friction. Like what has really changed? Other than American resentment going through the roof.

What exactly is more anti-China propaganda going to accomplish?

What has current anti-China propaganda has accomplished?

I really don't know.

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The bad sentiment is the goal for multiple reasons - it freezes trade & investment relationships with China, it makes it prohibitively difficult for nearly every politician and business leader to advocate for improving U.S.-China relations, it moves the Overton window to far more hostile policy propositions very few people would’ve entertained previously, and it gives a blank check to deep state agencies to do whatever the fuck they want in re US-China relations. See for example, Walz’ trips to China being absolutely politically toxic.

Permanently freezing U.S.-China relations is the goal and rheylll do that by locking out every constituency that could possibly favor improving the relationship (local governments, exporters, etc). The amount of people who took the “Chinese influence” or whatnot seriously were the point - if the same thing were from any other country (ex: had Gotion been Japanese), it would be widely celebrated and welcomed, but since China has been deemed the bete noir of US politics, Gotion in Michigan is asked to leave (and with that, there is no permanent political constituency of West Michigan local governments, the State of Michigan, supplier networks, regional universities, and House reps that would thus support selfishlessly U.S.-China relations)

gelgoog said:

I expected as much. Although Rosatom still is not sanctioned because the West needs TVEL's enriched uranium. Russia has like half the world's uranium enrichment capacity.

Siemens could either be providing the nuclear reactor control systems, or the electric components to connect the power plant to the electric grid. The Germans probably think they are safe from Rosatom retaliation because they no longer operate nuclear power plants. But this could lead to them losing some future business in Turkey as well.

France is also supposed to deliver the steam turbines used in the nuclear power plant generators in Turkey. We will see if those will cause a problem as well or not.

It is not like Russia does not have second sources. Besides China there are others. For example Russia can make the steam turbines by itself if necessary. But I think Rosatom gets like $10 billion USD a year from selling enriched uranium to the West. So they need to spent that funny money on something.

PS: Like I thought Siemens is not providing equipment used to connect the nuclear power plant to the electric grid.

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I think Hungarian has similar problem with Rosatom Nuclear Plant but French are going to solve it.

The US regime of Ukraine orders language patrols due to a steep fall in the number of people seeking Ukrainian language classes.