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manqiangrexue

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HighGround said:
Clinton got destroyed in her debate against Trump.
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This is another exaggeration like the "Trump obliterated" claim.
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Trump correctly identified aspects of Clinton that voters liked the least. Her involvement in dozens of conflicts. Her long career in politics, potrarying her as a useless insider. Her political correctness and her double standards. It was actually a brillaint piece of rhetoric, but Trump didn't really do any of it this time around.
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Basically Trump went after character assassination on both Hillary and Kamala and they both out-did him talking about actual facts. People who don't like Hillary don't like Kamala either. Trump's strongest point this time around is that Kamala is sitting in the Whitehouse now, wielding the power of the presidency due to the senility of the actual president; if she hasn't made good on her promises and doesn't act now, why would you trust her to do so later? Liberal media sure didn't think Trump won the debate against Hillary and they don't think he did against Kamala either. They pumped everyone full of confidence that Trump made a fool out of himself and has no chance on election day.
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Of course, the race is not over yet. We have two months before November, so keep that in mind. Lots of things can still happen.
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The absolute most annoying part of your analyses is that you continously flip flop between, "It's over... Trump obliterated." to "Was Trump actually destroyed? No." to "So yeah, Kamala pretty much destroyed Trump." then to "Of course, the race is not over yet... Lots of things can still happen." I'd stick with this last one if I were you.
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Trump was a much stronger candidate in 2016. He is older now and he has so many haters.
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He had so many haters back then in 2016 too. As far as the nation goes, America became more and more split after 2016 with both more haters and die-hard fans for Trump. As for the democrats; they really don't like any of their own candidates; they just want someone who isn't Trump.
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With a bit better economy, a bit more speech coherance and no war in Palestine, Biden would beat Trump too.
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Younger/coherent Biden did it because he's a white male. A large portion of the US population who are Trump fans just want a white male as president. Once that's satisfied, they can start to think straight. Without it, they defer to their primal instincts to pick the guy who looks and feels more like what they see in the mirror.
 
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In fact, they are already sort of moving capital via 雄安。
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The idea of Xiong An is to move most things that is not related to function of capital from Beijing. This is purifying Beijing as capital instead of weakening.

The orgnisations moved to Xiong An are NOT of central government agencies, but mostly state enterprises headquatered in Beijing, some universities will also move or stop expanding in Beijing but in Xiong An. Xiong An is also to have R&D campus, I can see that Beijing will restrict such business expanding in Beijing and direct them to Xiong An. Xiong An is regarded as Shenzhen and Pudong in the north, a business and economy center.
 
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India wants to be a manufacturing powerhouse yet they don't even have the machine tools to be one. The West too expensive...? All at the same time they want China excluded from a BRICS monetary system. The next thing India will want is China to build their shipping fleet to transport all the raw materials they'll need to make the things a manufacturing powerhouse does.

It's quite obvious that India's strategy is to get the world to act like China doesn't exist. Indians think they're the key to why BRICS exists. Nobody wants to join BRICS because India's involved but you know that's what Indians have convinced themselves. Why would Russia want the Yuan excluded when that's been their lifeline surviving Western sanctions. China is the alternative for the world because they make the things that the West doesn't even make themselves anymore. That's why the West can't decouple with China. Can India say that?

Gandhi went to apartheid South Africa not to stop the evils of the apartheid white supremacist government. He went there because he didn't like how Indians were categorized lumped in at the same level as blacks and wanted to change that. And Indians think they're the natural leader of the Global South, a title that China doesn't even proclaim.
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The Indian elites have great ambitions, but they lack noble intentions. They want India to become a manufacturing powerhouse, because of greed and a lust for power, not for lifting poor Indians out of poverty. They want China out of the way, so that they don't have to compete. They want to become the leader of the Global South, so that lesser nations may submit to their imperial power. That is why India's policies are all over the place. They want to expand India's industries, but also want to exclude as much as possible China, the current largest industrial power on earth. When the US was the largest industrial power on earth, China still worked with them to build up its own industrial power. So India is already straying from the path to success.

It also doesn't help that China's success story makes India look really shameful. India, started out inheriting British technology, education, and infrastructure. The railway systems best sums up India's progress vs China. In the 1950s, the Indian railway network was more than double the length of China's rail network. Today, it is less than half the length of China's railway network with still zero operational HSR lines. When zoomed in to the micro level, Indian trains and railways stations are far from the envy of countries in Asia. Just look at the Mumbai Central Railway Station vs the humble Guiyang Railway Station in 2024. India is still struggling to build its first HSR line, while China had already exported its own indigenous HSR technology. To say the gulf in progress is immense is an understatement.

Despite all this, the Indian ego and jealousy is just too great, so they insist on proclaiming themselves a peer competitor to China. They want to emulate China's success, but also want nothing to do with China. They still want to treat China as a pariah communist backwater country like North Korea. But reality is a bitch, and India knows deep down that it just cannot truly compete with China. So they play their games to exclude China from anything. They exclude themselves from the BRI and RCEP. They excluded China from their own "Voice of Global South Summit". They excluded China from their own infrastructure plans. They are even trying to exclude China in BRICS. They just cannot stand China, so they create their own fantasy world without a China to make India look better. Its still a fantasy, but they choose to live in it anyway. This is not a mentality of success, its a mentality of delusion. Ola Electric's presentation best sums up their mentality.

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Sardaukar20 said:
The Indian elites have great ambitions, but they lack noble intentions. They want India to become a manufacturing powerhouse, because of greed and a lust for power, not for lifting poor Indians out of poverty. They want China out of the way, so that they don't have to compete. They want to become the leader of the Global South, so that lesser nations may submit to their imperial power. That is why India's policies are all over the place. They want to expand India's industries, but also want to exclude as much as possible China, the current largest industrial power on earth. When the US was the largest industrial power on earth, China still worked with them to build up its own industrial power. So India is already straying from the path to success.

It also doesn't help that China's success story makes India look really shameful. India, started out inheriting British technology, education, and infrastructure. The railway systems best sums up India's progress vs China. In the 1950s, the Indian railway network was more than double the length of China's rail network. Today, it is less than half the length of China's railway network with still zero operational HSR lines. When zoomed in to the micro level, Indian trains and railways stations are far from the envy of countries in Asia. Just look at the Mumbai Central Railway Station vs the humble Guiyang Railway Station in 2024. India is still struggling to build its first HSR line, while China had already exported its own indigenous HSR technology. To say the gulf in progress is immense is an understatement.

Despite all this, the Indian ego and jealousy is just too great, so they insist on proclaiming themselves a peer competitor to China. They want to emulate China's success, but also want nothing to do with China. They still want to treat China as a pariah communist backwater country like North Korea. But reality is a bitch, and India knows deep down that it just cannot truly compete with China. So they play their games to exclude China from anything. They exclude themselves from the BRI and RCEP. They excluded China from their own "Voice of Global South Summit". They excluded China from their own infrastructure plans. They are even trying to exclude China in BRICS. They just cannot stand China, so they create their own fantasy world without a China to make India look better. Its still a fantasy, but they choose to live in it anyway. This is not a mentality of success, its a mentality of delusion. Ola Electric's presentation best sums up their mentality.

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India is what you get when you basically put Reddit and Twitter trolls in charge of 1 billion people.
 
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Index said:
A private actor randomly decided to hold a light show using as many FPVs in 1 night as Ukraine has likely used throughout all of Kursk offensive...

This is the even larger gap between China and US not seen through gdp measurement alone.
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Ukraine practically does not have air force/air defense so its supply chains are constantly under attack. even without that support there electronic warfare is so good that Russia has to use wired FPV like those wired ATGMs in older times and they are constantly adding new upgrades to deal with Ukrainian electronic warfare. The fact that US can fund Ukraine without caring about money by it self point to confidence in its GDP.

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Defense against "Shaheds" may weaken: Russia has new super-antennas for suppressing electronic warfare​

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The Indian elites have great ambitions, but they lack noble intentions. They want India to become a manufacturing powerhouse, because of greed and a lust for power, not for lifting poor Indians out of poverty. They want China out of the way, so that they don't have to compete. They want to become the leader of the Global South, so that lesser nations may submit to their imperial power. That is why India's policies are all over the place. They want to expand India's industries, but also want to exclude as much as possible China, the current largest industrial power on earth. When the US was the largest industrial power on earth, China still worked with them to build up its own industrial power. So India is already straying from the path to success.

It also doesn't help that China's success story makes India look really shameful. India, started out inheriting British technology, education, and infrastructure. The railway systems best sums up India's progress vs China. In the 1950s, the Indian railway network was more than double the length of China's rail network. Today, it is less than half the length of China's railway network with still zero operational HSR lines. When zoomed in to the micro level, Indian trains and railways stations are far from the envy of countries in Asia. Just look at the Mumbai Central Railway Station vs the humble Guiyang Railway Station in 2024. India is still struggling to build its first HSR line, while China had already exported its own indigenous HSR technology. To say the gulf in progress is immense is an understatement.

Despite all this, the Indian ego and jealousy is just too great, so they insist on proclaiming themselves a peer competitor to China. They want to emulate China's success, but also want nothing to do with China. They still want to treat China as a pariah communist backwater country like North Korea. But reality is a bitch, and India knows deep down that it just cannot truly compete with China. So they play their games to exclude China from anything. They exclude themselves from the BRI and RCEP. They excluded China from their own "Voice of Global South Summit". They excluded China from their own infrastructure plans. They are even trying to exclude China in BRICS. They just cannot stand China, so they create their own fantasy world without a China to make India look better. Its still a fantasy, but they choose to live in it anyway. This is not a mentality of success, its a mentality of delusion. Ola Electric's presentation best sums up their mentality.

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At this point India is just so cooked, like what actual purpose do they serve anymore? It's better to make 3-5 smaller states out of them and at least some of them, such as a prospective Kashmir, will be free of bha rat mentality.

As India's technology advances, they will attempt to seek MAD capability with the superpowers, and then China cannot ever remove them, unless Beijing acquires the total ABM defense which imho is complete vaporware.

China should not or rather cannot allow the India problem to continue festering, they don't even need to become no2 economy size to start causing disturbances in the subcontinent. Not to mention the amount of resources providing for them will suck up for the rest of the world, in a time where things such as climate crisis are considered.

I think China must reach out to the anti-hindutva, anti-fascist scene inside India, and in there find capable cooperators. And to establish a military alliance with these elements once they've armed themselves enough. Cause disturbances and oust pro-hindutva politicians, like what we saw in Bangladesh.

India will never reduce their activity/footprint to the point where it can be acceptable to the Chinese nation. The only solution is for China to do it for them. Impose economic and military austerity to prevent hindutva overrunning of neighbors.

As said above, even countries which can be considered China's Asian brothers and sisters like Thailand are feeling the pain of Indian activity.
 
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manqiangrexue said:
The absolute most annoying part of your analyses is that you continously flip flop between, "It's over... Trump obliterated." to "Was Trump actually destroyed? No." to "So yeah, Kamala pretty much destroyed Trump." then to "Of course, the race is not over yet... Lots of things can still happen." I'd stick with this last one if I were you.
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It's not "flip-flopping". Saying that Trump was "obliterated" is merely hyperbole for comedic effect, he still lost the debate pretty clearly and convincingly.

It is also not contradictory to point out that Trump lost the debate, but that he can still potentially win.
 
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manqiangrexue

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HighGround said:
It's not "flip-flopping". Saying that Trump was "obliterated" is merely hyperbole for comedic effect, he still lost the debate pretty clearly and convincingly.

It is also not contradictory to point out that Trump lost the debate, but that he can still potentially win.
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"He was obliterated, but not really destroyed, though he was pretty much destroyed. It's over, but still anything can happen though."

Those are all you. As for the debate results, same pattern all over again. Yet you declared in your last post that Clinton got "destroyed" by Trump in the debate.
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A CNN/ORC poll of debate viewers found that 62% believed Clinton won, compared to 27% for Trump.
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Echelon Insights polling showed that Clinton won the debate 48–22, and that the debate made 41% of respondents more likely to vote for Clinton while 29% were more likely to vote for Trump.
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A Reuters/Ipsos poll found that 56% of Americans thought Clinton did better, while 26% thought Trump did.
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A CBS News poll shows that 32% of likely voters say that they thought better of Clinton after watching the debate, but only 10% of voters said that they thought better of Trump afterward.
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"He was obliterated, but not really destroyed, though he was pretty much destroyed. It's over, but still anything can happen though."
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I already addressed this, repeating yourself doesn't make your argument stronger. I don't even know why you're arguing. Really seems like you just enjoy picking a fight for any reason.

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Those are all you. As for the debate results, same pattern all over again. Yet you declared in your last post that Clinton got "destroyed" by Trump in the debate.
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Echelon Insights polling showed that Clinton won the debate 48–22, and that the debate made 41% of respondents more likely to vote for Clinton while 29% were more likely to vote for Trump.
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This you?

I don't believe any polls since Trump beat Hillary. Everything in the news before that election night was saying Hillary will destroy Trump and Trump is flailing helplessly. That's just wishful liberal media with their fresh mouths thinking they can talk themselves into their preferred reality. I was in NYC; people said Trump is a bad joke and the joke ends tonight.
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