To be fair, comparing with Huawei with American equivalent is like requiring combination of: Qualcom, Broadcom, Nvidia, Intel, Apple.
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You vs the one she told you not to worry about.
Not as much anymore.
Sure the US companies can design products, but really is still relying on their past glory. iPhones are the only major US company producing smart phones and technologically are not more advanced than many other smart phones and in many cases is less advanced.
China can produce and make low end and high end smart phones. China has design companies like Xiaomi, vivo, Oppo, honor etc and pure domestic Huawei, which in may aspects have more advanced features than iPhones (ie. Satellite calling).
So china can design and make, but the US can only design. They have never made or even assemble a smart phone. The cost too high and not efficient enough to justify, unlike China's efficiency to cost ratio.
manqiangrexue
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The thing is, you've basically never been right about anything on this forum. Even without in-depth knowledge, it's easy to see that none of what you said matters even if it's true because America has no chance of preventing China from running it over in the tech war.
Only to those who can't read charts and are mathematically illiterate. To others, it's obvious that the fact that the US has a larger portion of its population in critical sectors as a developed country only underlies how much extra potential China has as it develops. And also in every STEM field both academically and professionally, Chinese workers in the West and China are far more than a match one vs one for any worker from any other nation on average.
Except China grows much faster with or without them so either they are unnecessary, you're wrong, or both.
"Similar-ish" is a very lax term used for this comparison. Of those things you mentioned, China holds a clear lead and the US cannot produce anything competitive. If you thought that China's airline industry is incomparable to America's, then those American companies you mentioned are incomparable to China's. Main difference is that while China's airline industry is in its infancy, those other American firms are legacy firms that have succumbed and lost their incumbent advantage to newer Chinese challengers. Tesla seems better than the rest but it's only still there frim incumbent advantage and it's being eroded fast to superior Chinese EVs.
It's about frequency; stupid people don't always do stupid things and smart people don't always do smart things but they are defined by the ratio of correct and incorrect decisions. In that, it is clear that America is far more slave to the corporates and China is far more a master in comparison to each other.
Also, for your China example, you
1. attributed an imperfect (but still way better than America's) response/reaction time to weakness to lobbying rather than natural human imperfection.
2. confused corporate elite lobbying with concern for the general economy and homeowners, which make up over 90% of China's population. This is consideration for the masses, not the elite which wants to drain the masses, as is hallmark in American capitalism.
Nope, you're an idiot. It's exports minus imports.
That is literally the most retarded definition of a trade surplus I've ever heard. The elements of your equation would all be present and non-zero in an economy without foreign trade, yet you think it would result in a number representing trade surplus. This is pretty much the epitome of academic-sounding bullshit.
Haha, this bullcrap again. Yeah, Americans are so confident against risks in their future, they don't bother studying or working so they end up high school drop out bums doing drugs on the street! That's how good the US economy is, right? LOL Meanwhile, countries where people save up, own homes in far greater numbers than the US, have kids studying hard at STEM so they can become engineers and scientists are actually the ones with instability and economic issues or else what would everyone have all their shit together for, right? Yes, by this "logic" and definition of stability and success, America will stay on top of the forseeable future.
And how did you come to this conclusion given that China owns the most patents and industrial patents in the world by far?
That's why China's tech exports lead the world while you rant about the complexity and superiority of American vaperware.
That all worked until China showed up, began out-innovating everyone, and has broken free of US IP contraints. I can see why the US panic-started the tech war even though it was clearly going to turn out horribly for America in the end, which is only in a few years. Desperation fuels stupidity.
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manqiangrexue
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No, there's not and I'm happy about it. That's how I know he can see me tearing him a new one with every response but he's too scared to open them to see exactly how.
Why bother? You know Jai America will always insist on US supremacy and will cherry pick, misrepresent, and make up stuff to support his bubble world. As a result, 60-80% of every reply on going into the future will be about Jai Americano and due to the insistence to limit the page to 10 replies. There isn’t much of an thread anymore if every page is only 1-3 replies.
No. It doesn’t
So it sounds like China in fact has substantially lower productivity
The lack of HSR in the U.S. is because U.S. cities aren’t dense enough for HSR; not technological incapacity. US firms like Wabtec have substantial global market share in rail rolling stock. As for 5G; U.S. firms are simply fragmented but
Might as well be. Majority of its assets, employees, and investors are in the United States.
Tesla batters are produced in Nevada by Panasonic (foreign firms don’t disprove anything; they are a mechanism by which U.S. productivity is high). And U.S. ICE cars are better (and the U.S. consumers like ice cars both out of habit and because abundant oil makes gas cheap). Both point to U.S. productivity being substantially higher.
like the best “evidence” of Chinese productivity not being 25% of US productivity are firms that are at best, equivalent or slightly more productive than US firms despite China being 4x larger and no real answer to the tons of U.S. firms that have a ton of productivity unmatched by anything else in the world.
manqiangrexue
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LOL you'd need to be able to read charts and figure things out to know if it does or doesn't.
No, it sounds like China has far greater untapped potential while already running the US down. Basically, this is not even our final form, if you get the reference LOL
Yeah, people need to be densely-packed in order to have rails that don't cause train wrecks with ecological damage. With the current US population, it's just not worth it, right?
You uh... seem to have shorted out while trying to make up an excuse. Please remember when you skip a test question because it was too difficult, to mark it down so you don't forget to come back to it later to attempt your best guess.
But anyway, the result is that they produce speeds that are magnitudes slower than China's.
Still ain't shit compared to Huawei and that was true even before Huawei indigenized.
Incomparable in scale or quality to BYD.
"Elon Musk's prediction that Chinese carmakers would 'demolish' global rivals is coming true as they overtake U.S. competitors."
Yeah, even better is bicycles and better than that, horse carriages but all pail in comparison to just feet LOL How the technologically inadequate try to cope...
Both point to the US getting its ass beat off its "incumbent advantages" while China's still just ramping up on meeting its potential.
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Yes it really does. Your spin in using one set of criteria for the US indicating higher production then using a different set of standards for US production to indicate that it is not far behind china in HSR and EV and 5G is exactly hypocrisy
And the US has less productivity when it comes to HSR and 5G and EV going by your reasoning
That's a cope out answer. They wanted HSR and tried even with Hyperloop but failed. LA and san Francisco, Boston and New York, atlanta and Miami, these cities have high density and would undoubtedly benefit from HSR
The only reasons they don't is because they can't do it.
Wabtec is not in the same league or even considered comparable to CRRC, which is the largest rolling stock manufacturer in the world. So theres that.
And as for 5G the proof is in the pudding. Even if they are fragmented, where is the US 5G and why isn't it as fast as in China? Using fragmentation is another cope out answer and excuse.
What the hell are you lying about. Are you just pulling stuff from your ass?
Majority of employees are in Europe and Latin America. North Americans employees only account for the second lowest number of employees under Ericsson. And that includes US and Canada. Thus employees in the US are probably much lower.
Really? Would you say the same about foreign firms in China? I doubt it.
And Panasonic batteries are too expensive. Tesla uses CATL batteries as well BTW
Only way to keep competitive issue use Chinese products. US doesn't the the technology to make it cheaper and at scale thus indicating low US productivity in this matter.
US ice cars are better ? Compared to what? If you meant to say US ICE cars are better than their EV cars, then yes, that's because their EVs are not competitive at all.
Is that why GM and ford needed bailouts in the past. They are steadily losing to Toyota, VW, Atlantis, Hyundai/kia and have been on the down trend over the last 10-15 years. I guess that points to worsening US productivity, if ford and GM keeping decreasing on the list of top car manufacturers?
US gas is not that cheap, and the price has nothing to do with productivity. By your logic wouldn't the country with the lowest gas prices be more productive?
Tons of US firms who all have to source critical products from.... China and they can't make it affordability in the US. Doesn't give a lot of support to your claims. Do you have any evidence at all or are you just making up numbers on the spot. Hard to give you the benefit of the doubt if you made so many mistakes with your previous reasoning.