Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is Missing

kwaigonegin

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Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

I'm not sure if there is any truth to this article but if so then it lends more credibility to the suicide theory.. unfortunately :(

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Flight MH370: Pilot in wrong state of mind to fly - friend

By Lincoln Tan

Updated8:35 AM Wednesday Mar 26, 2014

Air Accidents Airlines Aviation Malaysia
Captain facing family and relationship problems before plane disappeared.
Zaharie Ahmad Shah, his wife Faiza Khanum Mustafa Khan and their daughter, seen here in a Facebook photo from July 2013.
Zaharie Ahmad Shah, his wife Faiza Khanum Mustafa Khan and their daughter, seen here in a Facebook photo from July 2013.
The captain of Flight 370 was in no state of mind to fly the day it disappeared and could have taken the Boeing 777 for a "last joyride" before crashing into the Indian Ocean, a fellow pilot says.

Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah's world was crumbling, said the long-time associate. He had been facing serious family problems, including separation from his wife and relationship problems with another woman he was seeing.

The man, who spoke to the Herald on condition of anonymity, said Captain Zaharie was "terribly upset" when his wife told him she was leaving and believed he may have decided to take the Malaysia Airlines plane to a part of the world he had never flown in.

Read more of the Herald's Flight 370 coverage today:
• All hope disappears as family grieves for dad
• Relief Kiwi air crew ready to take over long search from colleagues
• More criticism follows loss announcement


Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said data showed the plane, carrying 239 people, crashed into the southern Indian Ocean about 2500km west of Perth on March 8, eight hours after leaving Kuala Lumpur.

With no landing sites nearby, the jetliner is presumed lost with no survivors.

Zaharie Ahmad Shah was "terribly upset'' when his wife told him she was leaving, says a friend, who believes he may have set the plane on its fatal course.
Zaharie Ahmad Shah was "terribly upset'' when his wife told him she was leaving, says a friend, who believes he may have set the plane on its fatal course.
Search likely to resume today
Blustery conditions in the southern Indian Ocean are expected to ease today allowing authorities to resume the search for the jet.

Gale force winds and heavy swells disrupted search and recovery efforts yesterday.

RNZAF Air Commodore Mike Yardley told TVNZ's Breakfast that the forecast is for improving search conditions.

"We're confident we will be out there and we'll be able to conduct a very good visual and radar search,'' he said.

The confirmation the plane went down in the southern Indian Ocean has helped to motivate the crew, he said.

"The intention is to swap the crew out on Friday which we're an anticipating will be another rest day. So two days left for these guys, and that will just about make it three weeks [of searching] for them,'' Mr Yardley said.

Did he take jet on a "joyride"?
Police have found nothing suspicious about Captain Zaharie, a veteran pilot with 18,365 hours' experience, or his co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid.

However the fellow pilot raised questions about the captain's state of mind.

He guessed that Captain Zaharie may have considered the flight a "last joyride" - the chance to do things in a plane he had previously been able to do only on a simulator.



The friend said Captain Zaharie, who he chatted to when they met several times a year through work, was a fanatic for "the three Fs" - food, family and flying.

When he wasn't working he spent hours cooking or using his home-made flight simulator for a variety of situations he wouldn't experience at the controls of a commercial airline, such as flying at the highest and lowest possible altitudes.

The simulator was seized last week and is being analysed by the FBI.

Investigations so far found that, up to the point when the co-pilot said "all right, good night" to Malaysian traffic controllers, the plane had been flying normally. Military radar tracking showed the aircraft made a sharp turn soon after and started flying at altitudes as high as 45,000ft (13,716m) and as low as 12,000ft before it disappeared.

The associate believed the co-pilot must have been incapacitated and the other flight crew kept out of the cockpit.

"It is very possible that neither the passengers nor the other crew on-board knew what was happening until it was too late."

The friend said the disappearance of the Boeing 777 happened as Captain Zaharie's world was crumbling.

"He's one of the finest pilots around and I'm no medical expert, but with all that was happening in his life Zaharie was probably in no state of mind to be flying."

Inquiry source: Crash 'deliberate act'
Sources close to the inquiry were quoted by Britain's Daily Telegraph as saying investigators believed Flight 370 was crashed deliberately.


"This has been a deliberate act by someone on-board who had to have the detailed knowledge to do what was done," an official source said.

Investigators believe no malfunction or on-board fire was capable of causing the aircraft's unusual flight or the disabling of its communications system, or of taking it on a seven-hour flight wildly off course.

New Zealand aviation expert Peter Clark said he believed Captain Zaharie may have been responsible.

"This had to be a pilot or somebody with expert knowledge, who had to know what they were doing to complete this," Mr Clark said.

"It had to be somebody with immense knowledge ... the co-pilot would not have the capability of doing this. It's a takeover of the aircraft, it can only be the pilot."

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He said Mr Fariq was "too inexperienced" to carry out the takeover - it was his first flight as co-pilot without a third pilot in the cockpit overseeing him.

Mr Clark said it would have been very simple for the pilot to reprogramme the flight management computer to fly a new course.

"All you need to do is fly it to high altitude, de-pressurise the aircraft, you kill everybody on-board including yourself and you have the flight management programmed in and it just continues to fly to the South Indian Ocean until it runs out of fuel."

But Mr Clark said it would be very hard to prove it was pilot suicide even if the data recorders were found.

Watch: MH370: Missing plane in ocean

Video
The voice recorder would have been overwritten every two hours and the flight recorder would most likely record that the plane was operating normally and crashed because it ran out of fuel.

Malaysia Airlines flight crew on layover in Auckland still hope their colleagues will be found alive, despite the new information.

"I just have this gut feeling that they are still alive, and they will be found alive," said a steward who had worked with Captain Zaharie.

The fellow pilot said Captain Zaharie had a good sense of humour, was definitely not a terrorist, and loved his family.

Key developments

*Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said Flight MH370 had crashed in the Indian Ocean and there were no survivors.
*He said the last known position of the plane was west of Perth.
*Malaysia Airlines said each family of the missing passengers had been offered US$5000 and further payments were likely.
*Bad weather yesterday delayed searches for wreckage in the southern Indian Ocean.
 

Air Force Brat

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Personally I find it hard to believe anything that's been said. Everything contradicts something that has been said before. For example, if it was these batteries that caught fire as reported on the news, then this aircraft wouldn't have flown 7 hours out to the Indian Ocean. I think the New York Times does a disservice that they report they know that the supposed flight path change after contact was lost was pre-programmed into the computer basically declaring the flight was hi-jacked. If ones believes that someone took over the aircraft, that information really doesn't change anything especially since the media was already going in that direction. How do they know someone programmed the course change? The line is blurred between official information and what the media just throws out there just to get people watching or reading their stuff.

and this is the challenge Mace, yes it frustrates us all, and these reports/internet fairy tails are intermingled with one another. I myself still hope to see the flight crew vindicated, but if you read Kwai's post after your's it does sound as if the Captain had some very serious emotional circumstances, a family break-up is very traumatic for a family man, even if he was playing around on the side, it doesn't mean he didn't love his family. So as a sincere poster here, and I know you are, we are left to sort through all these things that disturb and frustrate us, may challenge our sense of propriety. and finally the media, they are in fact paid to inform us, that is their job, and the temptation to "over-sell" is often fueled by our desire for fame, or maybe just self preservation???

all the more reason for our Sino Defense Professionals to take a step back, keep our emotions in check, and help one another come to a well reasoned and logical conclusion, but integrity sometimes means that you confess, "I'm sorry, I do not know for certain???" and in this instance, I have kept my posts to a minimum, because I just don't know, and yes it does frustrate me as well....

oh, and the reason I responded here at all, very nice post, articulate and thoughtful.....

but, we must trust those who are doing their best to get at the truth, and yes in this instance, the truth will likely be hurtful??? wish it were not so....brat
 
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This is my take on the issue. UNTIL the wreckage has been found, black box analyzed, and all that, I will not take any speculations or beliefs into account. A waste of my sucrose to process speculations that 99% of which will be wrong in the end anyways.
 

kwaigonegin

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Finding debris is extremely difficult in conditions such as this and this video was actually taken on a relatively calm day in south Indian ocean!!. I've seen seas like this befoe with my very own eyes and it is vey scary and not for the faint of heart. When you combine the wind, roar of the ocean etc your senses go overdrive. Many folks think debris floating in the ocean is akin to a rubber duckie floating in your backyard pool.. Nothing couldn be further from the truth.

The worst part is the currents underneath is even more wild than above and a sunk debris could easily moved dozens if not hundreds of miles sway.
 
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broadsword

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He had been facing serious family problems, including separation from his wife and relationship problems with another woman he was seeing.

Flight MH370: Pilot in wrong state of mind to fly - friend

By Lincoln Tan
11:10 AM Wednesday Mar 26, 2014



Captain facing family and relationship problems before plane disappeared.



The captain of Flight 370 was in no state of mind to fly the day it disappeared and could have taken the Boeing 777 for a "last joyride" before crashing into the Indian Ocean, a fellow pilot says.

Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah's world was crumbling, said the long-time associate. He had been facing serious family problems, including separation from his wife and relationship problems with another woman he was seeing.

The man, who spoke to the Herald on condition of anonymity, said Captain Zaharie was "terribly upset" when his wife told him she was leaving and believed he may have decided to take the Malaysia Airlines plane to a part of the world he had never flown in.

Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said data showed the plane, carrying 239 people, crashed into the southern Indian Ocean about 2500km west of Perth on March 8, eight hours after leaving Kuala Lumpur.

With no landing sites nearby, the jetliner is presumed lost with no survivors.

Search likely to resume today

Blustery conditions in the southern Indian Ocean are expected to ease today allowing authorities to resume the search for the jet.

Gale force winds and heavy swells disrupted search and recovery efforts yesterday.

RNZAF Air Commodore Mike Yardley told TVNZ's Breakfast that the forecast is for improving search conditions.

"We're confident we will be out there and we'll be able to conduct a very good visual and radar search,'' he said.

The confirmation the plane went down in the southern Indian Ocean has helped to motivate the crew, he said.


Malaysia's Prime Minister Najib Razak , left, and acting transport minister Hishammuddin Hussein. Photo / AP

"The intention is to swap the crew out on Friday which we're an anticipating will be another rest day. So two days left for these guys, and that will just about make it three weeks [of searching] for them,'' Mr Yardley said.

Did he take jet on a "joyride"?

Police have found nothing suspicious about Captain Zaharie, a veteran pilot with 18,365 hours' experience, or his co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid.


Zaharie Ahmad Shah was "terribly upset'' when his wife told him she was leaving, says a friend, who believes he may have set the plane on its fatal course.

However the fellow pilot raised questions about the captain's state of mind.

He guessed that Captain Zaharie may have considered the flight a "last joyride" - the chance to do things in a plane he had previously been able to do only on a simulator.


The friend said Captain Zaharie, who he chatted to when they met several times a year through work, was a fanatic for "the three Fs" - food, family and flying.

When he wasn't working he spent hours cooking or using his home-made flight simulator for a variety of situations he wouldn't experience at the controls of a commercial airline, such as flying at the highest and lowest possible altitudes.

The simulator was seized last week and is being analysed by the FBI.

Investigations so far found that, up to the point when the co-pilot said "all right, good night" to Malaysian traffic controllers, the plane had been flying normally. Military radar tracking showed the aircraft made a sharp turn soon after and started flying at altitudes as high as 45,000ft (13,716m) and as low as 12,000ft before it disappeared.

The associate believed the co-pilot must have been incapacitated and the other flight crew kept out of the cockpit.

"It is very possible that neither the passengers nor the other crew on-board knew what was happening until it was too late."

The friend said the disappearance of the Boeing 777 happened as Captain Zaharie's world was crumbling.

"He's one of the finest pilots around and I'm no medical expert, but with all that was happening in his life Zaharie was probably in no state of mind to be flying."

Inquiry source: Crash 'deliberate act'

Sources close to the inquiry were quoted by Britain's Daily Telegraph as saying investigators believed Flight 370 was crashed deliberately.

"This has been a deliberate act by someone on-board who had to have the detailed knowledge to do what was done," an official source said.

Investigators believe no malfunction or on-board fire was capable of causing the aircraft's unusual flight or the disabling of its communications system, or of taking it on a seven-hour flight wildly off course.

New Zealand aviation expert Peter Clark said he believed Captain Zaharie may have been responsible.

"This had to be a pilot or somebody with expert knowledge, who had to know what they were doing to complete this," Mr Clark said.

"It had to be somebody with immense knowledge ... the co-pilot would not have the capability of doing this. It's a takeover of the aircraft, it can only be the pilot."

He said Mr Fariq was "too inexperienced" to carry out the takeover - it was his first flight as co-pilot without a third pilot in the cockpit overseeing him.

Mr Clark said it would have been very simple for the pilot to reprogramme the flight management computer to fly a new course.

"All you need to do is fly it to high altitude, de-pressurise the aircraft, you kill everybody on-board including yourself and you have the flight management programmed in and it just continues to fly to the South Indian Ocean until it runs out of fuel."

But Mr Clark said it would be very hard to prove it was pilot suicide even if the data recorders were found.

The voice recorder would have been overwritten every two hours and the flight recorder would most likely record that the plane was operating normally and crashed because it ran out of fuel.

Malaysia Airlines flight crew on layover in Auckland still hope their colleagues will be found alive, despite the new information.

"I just have this gut feeling that they are still alive, and they will be found alive," said a steward who had worked with Captain Zaharie.

The fellow pilot said Captain Zaharie had a good sense of humour, was definitely not a terrorist, and loved his family.

Key developments

• Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said Flight MH370 had crashed in the Indian Ocean and there were no survivors.

• He said the last known position of the plane was west of Perth.

• Malaysia Airlines said each family of the missing passengers had been offered US$5000 and further payments were likely.

• Bad weather yesterday delayed searches for wreckage in the southern Indian Ocean.

- NZ Herald
 

B.I.B.

Captain
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

Since there's only 2 weeks left to look for the crash site, will there be enough time at all to find the plane on time? Can the USN or the Australian Navy or even the PLAN deploy more assets to the area to search for the plane?

Considering the amount of air traffic that now fly over water I'm surprised that they have yet to come up with a system that ejects the CVR and FDR from the aircraft as it hits the water. With floating devices attached to it , distinctly coloured and emitting a location signal, it shouldn't be too hard to find.
 

no_name

Colonel
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Considering the amount of air traffic that now fly over water I'm surprised that they have yet to come up with a system that ejects the CVR and FDR from the aircraft as it hits the water. With floating devices attached to it , distinctly coloured and emitting a location signal, it shouldn't be too hard to find.

Or even just a robust loud transmitter would help. The difficulty I think lies with evaluating the exact moment the plane is likely to go down and not be saved if it was to be activated automatically.
 

shen

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Even if they don't find the black boxes before their batteries are exhausted, that doesn't make the job impossible. Without the acoustic pings, it would just take longer to systematically search a larger area with deep sea submersibles. In the case of Air France Flight 447, it took two years to find the wreckage. Whatever happens, this crash has attracted so much media attention, the Chinese government will do whatever it takes however long it takes to find the wreckage.

on the PLAN submarine thread, I suggested perhaps a PLAN SSN can help in the search. After reading the wiki article on the search for Air France 447, I learned that's exactly what the French navy did in 2009. While the French sub didn't find the black boxes by itself, the data it gathered apparently helped in the eventual discovery of the wreckage two years later. Really hope the PLAN would do the same thing. Even if they don't announce operation publicly to avoid unfriendly interference or surveillance.
 
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delft

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Or even just a robust loud transmitter would help. The difficulty I think lies with evaluating the exact moment the plane is likely to go down and not be saved if it was to be activated automatically.
Passing an external pressure of 6 atm or 50 meters water depth? Let a valve open to dissolve some structure so the system is as passive as possible. the freed black boxes will then signal their position to the relevant satellites.
 
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