Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is Missing

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PanAsian said:

I can't remember which article I read this information from but it stated that this particular airplane had a collision on the ground with another airplane not too many years ago where the tip of one of its wings was ripped off. This makes me think that some residual damage from that collision may have gone undetected and contributed to some sort of sudden catastrophic failure on this flight. If someone had also come across this information please link, sorry I can't remember where I read it to save my life right now.

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If the aircraft experienced problems and had to turn around, then why didn't the pilot/co-pilot notify air traffic control? If it's true both military and civilian radars detected MH370's turn around, then the authorities should have a decent idea where it or its wreckage should be. If it exploded or broke up in mid air, then there should be debris over many square kilometers (lots of stuff would float). Talk about an odd mystery.

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Blackstone said:

If the aircraft experienced problems and had to turn around, then why didn't the pilot/co-pilot notify air traffic control? If it's true both military and civilian radars detected MH370's turn around, then the authorities should have a decent idea where it or its wreckage should be. If it exploded or broke up in mid air, then there should be debris over many square kilometers (lots of stuff would float). Talk about an odd mystery.

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I believe... that Chinese media was saying that MAS370 had a collision with a China Eastern flight in Shanghia Pudong Airport.... but was fixed... some years before.

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I remember reading that when that Airbus 340 was lost over the South Atlantic a few years ago it continued to send engineering data to Paris until it was destroyed. No doubt B-777's do likewise so when did the technical service of Malaysia Airlines stop receiving these data and were was the aircraft at that time?

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There're quite a lot of clues that lead to an airliner bombing scenario: no MAY DAY or PAN PAN call, lost contact on radar screen suddenly...very likely the flight disintegrated at cruising altitude suddenly and violently. While things like that isn't new and we got "new bomb plot" news every year, it has been almost 10 years since the Russian aircraft bombings, that there was a "successful" incident.

And since so many Chinese citizens are killed in this air accident - or probably the single most terrorist attack that result in so many Chinese fatalities - conspiracy theorists runs amok in many Chinese BBS sites, and guess who they point their fingers to? Uncle Sam...

But something about the Malaysia Airline's responses rubs me the wrong way, though...like they kinda know it's they who dropped the ball on this one, but doing what they can to stave off the inevitable SHTF...

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Please cease your political argument, guys.

As reported, there are two persons boarding the plane with stolen passports. I can't stop questioning, who on earth and with what purpose would sneak into China? This is not the United States nor it is Australia. If the stolen passport story is true, the only possibility is that two persons are terrorists. So, let me assume it this way: Two terrorists boarded the plane without weapon. When the plane was on the sea after 40 minutes of flight, the terrorists took over control of the plane which explain why no May Day, no error report. The plane didn't crashed where it lost contact with ground control. However, the plane has ELT device that would transmit its location in case of emergency. The terrorists knew this, so they disabled the device. The terrorists steered the plane away from its route and crashed it.

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SteelBird said:

Please cease your political argument, guys.

As reported, there are two persons boarding the plane with stolen passports. I can't stop questioning, who on earth and with what purpose would sneak into China? This is not the United States nor it is Australia. If the stolen passport story is true, the only possibility is that two persons are terrorists. So, let me assume it this way: Two terrorists boarded the plane without weapon. When the plane was on the sea after 40 minutes of flight, the terrorists took over control of the plane which explain why no May Day, no error report. The plane didn't crashed where it lost contact with ground control. However, the plane has ELT device that would transmit its location in case of emergency. The terrorists knew this, so they disabled the device. The terrorists steered the plane away from its route and crashed it.

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That's even more far fetch, as the post-911 procedure is to lock the cockpit door at departure till landing, though in theory you can take a stewardess hostage and "trick" to get the door open for a cup of tea or something, but these days the security is so strict you can hardly bring more than a toothpick on board with you, and just 2 person to do this quickly and quietly? Sure, the flight was past midnight, but typically passengers won't be so easily to catch some Zs so soon, take at least 2 hours by my experience.

However, if the Malaysian authority dropped the ball at immigration, they could fail at the customs checkpoint just as well.

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I think it's too soon and too little is known to say that this is a terrorist incident, much less point fingers who is behind it if it is one. If it is a terrorist incident then someone is going to try their best to claim responsibility and we haven't heard anything solid regarding that.

Also, I know nothing about Malaysian air travel security so I wouldn't assume it is necessarily the same as US (or any other country's) air travel security procedures unless someone explicitly says they have traveled between Malaysia and China before and XYZ... is the security procedure.

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It appears that the two passagers that traveled with stolen passports bought their tickets together.

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You'd think that if the plane broke up at that altitude, they would've found some wreckage floating on the water by now. There are a lot of things in the plane that would float, and the area of impact would be huge if it broke up at 35000ft. People compare it to the Air France accident, but that Air France plane crashed in the middle of Atlantic in bad weather. The weather here was perfect, and the gulf here is like a bathtub compared to the Atlantic.

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OK first of all those those regular conspiracy theorists are the first guys I cross off from the list in my mind. It's a tragedy, and it bugs me even more when people attempts to throw in unnecessary political elements into it and blame the US and all that sort of stuffs. Very disrespectful for the victims.

As for what happened, I am more and more inclined to think of something alongside Steelbird's story, after new updates revealed that the missing passport persons bought their tickets together. 2 Hours into the flight at cruising also do seem like an optimal time for things to carry out when flight is after climbing and stable. Also the information thrown in eliminated a suspicion to the recent Russian activities, as the passports were stolen more than a year ago. If it's terrorism, it's planned for an agenda earlier than what's happening now.

There was also some story about someone able to call their brother's phone, whose owner was on the flight as well, hours after the flight was declared missing. He said his brother's phone answered the call then hung up immediately without able to hear anything from the other side, then goes unanswered the next 3 attempts afterwards. I'm not sure how valid this information is though.