Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is Missing

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joshuatree

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chuck731 said:
The bad news is if that is all it is, then there is high chance the plane would have cruised on autopilot with waypoints all set when it happened, and once the crew has become incapacitated, the plane should continue on autopilot. This means if the plane was intact it probably would have gone on almost all the way to Beijing, and then probably kept on going until it ran out of fuel. It seems extremely unlikely it could have flown over Ho Chi Minh city, or entered Chinese air space from the South (where Chinese routinely monitor for signs of American surveillance aircraft, recall the 2000 Heinan incident), without being detected.

So this leads to the question of why it didn't go much further? It would be interesting to see its flight plane and where all the way points are.
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Possibility based on this speculation could be pilots were aware of situation and tried to turn around but ultimately succumbed to hypoxia thus the change in course. Whatever damage that led to decompression also damaged transponders and eventually auto-pilot. But not knowing the design details of the 777, that's a lot of conjecture on my behalf.

However, if pilots were aware of decompression, I always understood the first reaction should be to bring the plane down to a lower altitude ASAP, so changing course should be a secondary.
 
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chuck731

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Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

joshuatree said:
Possibility based on this speculation could be pilots were aware of situation and tried to turn around but ultimately succumbed to hypoxia thus the change in course. Whatever damage that led to decompression also damaged transponders and eventually auto-pilot. But not knowing the design details of the 777, that's a lot of conjecture on my behalf.

However, if pilots were aware of decompression, I always understood the first reaction should be to bring the plane down to a lower altitude ASAP, so changing course should be a secondary.
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The first thing the pilot and crew must do when they become aware of decrompression is to don their supplemental oxygen masks. So they should not then succumb to hypoxia if they had time to react to decompression at all. If they had no time to react, then the plane should fly on under autopilot after the crew became incapacitated.
 
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joshuatree

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While I respect each country has their customs, I'm not so sure this is the best PR move by the Malaysian government. It's one thing as a private action, another if it's a government action in light of the lack of progress with the SAR.

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Chinese netizens have mocked reports that the Malaysian government invited a witch doctor to help hunt for the missing state carrier's plane amid increasing criticism of the search and rescue operation.

Malaysian media reported that Ibrahim Mat Zin, a famous “bomoh” [shaman] also known as the Raja Bomoh Sedunia Nujum VIP, performed a prayer at Kuala Lumpur International Airport on Monday to help locate the missing MH370, allegedly at the invitation of one of the country’s top leaders.

“I think the plane is still in the air or has crashed into the sea,” he was quoted by Free Malaysia Today as saying.

Cynical Weibo users in China ridiculed the conclusion. “Wow, that is exactly what I think too,” many wrote.

One user who claimed to be Malaysian wrote: “I feel so ashamed as a Malaysian for the first time, not because of any wrongdoing on Malaysia’s part but for having a brainless prime minister.

"Instead of hiring a witch doctor holding two coconuts to be ridiculed, would be better off to do something down-to-earth. …. Stop losing Malaysia’s face!”

Another message that was reposted more than 10,000 times within less than a day read: “In the past few days, Vietnam has cleaned up all the trash on the sea. Whatever Vietnam found, Malaysia shook its head and just said ‘NO NO NO’. Out of distrust of Vietnam, it kindly invited a witch doctor to determine the location.”

Many expressed astonishment that spiritual methods were being considered in the hunt for the plane, as the operation entered its fifth day.

“China deployed 10 satellites, Malaysia deployed a few witch doctors…..is this action art?” said another message.

Jamil Khir Baharom, a minister in the Malaysian Prime Minister’s Department, had earlier said the government welcomed any help in tracing missing flight MH370, including that from bomohs, as long as their methods did not contravene the practices of Islam, Free Malaysia Today reported.

Muslims make up more than half of Malaysia’s population of 22.7 million people. Malaysian Muslims respect spiritual power and bomohs are well respected among believers.

The Raja Bomoh, who has 50 years of experience, rose to fame after offering his services in searching for victims in several major cases, including the Highland Tower tragedy, Kuala Dipang flood and the Mona Fendy murder, according to Free Malaysia Today.

“We use a fish trap hook and a bamboo binocular to search and ask for the victims to be found as soon as possible,” he said. He added that he would go back to the airport to perform another prayer in two days.

It is not unusual in parts of Malaysia for believers and politicians to turn to shamans. More than 200 people in the country were defrauded of a total of more than 23.4 million yuan (HK$30 million) in 2012 in cases involving shamans.
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chuck731

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delft said:
That should have provided us with enough debris on the water just were the search started. This is a particularly silly speculation.
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I was not offering it up as a speculation worthy of consideration. I was offering it up as comic relief at CNN's well deserved expense..
 
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chuck731 said:
If every country is to be ridiculed for appealing to its own mediaeval mumbo jumbo, no country would emerge unscathed, and China likely come out worse than most with its Yin, Yang, Chi and geomancy.
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Its a different story having private citizens hire and use Feng Shui and Geomancy in their own individual capacity than having a sovereign government hiring a witch doctor in official capacity of finding a missing airplane.
 
Quickie

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That news media is twisting the truth. No, it has nothing to do with Malaysian authorities. Some Malaysian officials even suggest the "witch doctors" (bomohs) to be arrested. China and some countries are used to being made a scapegoats in every opportunity. It seems like Malaysia has joined their rank.

Published: Wednesday March 12, 2014 MYT 6:47:00 PM
Updated: Wednesday March 12, 2014 MYT 10:16:58 PM
Missing MH370: Someone should arrest 'magic carpet bomohs', says Khairy

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PETALING JAYA: Youth and Sports Minister Khairy Jamaluddin is one of many netizens appalled by Bomoh Ibrahim Mat Zin's antics at the Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA).

"Somebody should arrest those magic carpet bomohs. Memalukan (embarassing)," he tweeted today.

Ibrahim, who calls himself Raja Bomoh Sedunia Nujum VIP with the title of Datuk Mahaguru, conducted the rituals to locate the Malaysia Airlines missing MH370 flight.

He was accompanied by several assistants who helped in the rituals using "Zam-Zam" water, two coconuts, a "magical" walking stick and a carpet.

The Umno Youth chief also said that he called Minister in the Prime Minister's Department Datuk Seri Jamil Khir Baharom about the matter: "Beliau akan tangani bomoh2 magic carpet (Jamil will handle the magic carpet bomohs)."

On Facebook, netizen Mhd Amir posted a scathing remark that earned dozens of Likes: "Bomoh kelapa (coconut), this is air traffic controller ... please keep your altitude and your position is 100° 54 longitude … fly straight to your destination … When landed please see your psychiatrist and remember your bed and room number … good day."

Liz Yahaya called the bomoh group "cheap publicity seekers", while Lim Siong Boon said their actions "brought more shame to the country".

Many others pointed out the similarities between Ibrahim's posse and a "magic carpet ride" scene from the late Tan Sri P. Ramlee's movie Laksamana Do Re Mi.

However, Shamsul Sulaiman begged to differ: "It wasn't a magic carpet. The man in front was rowing and the man in the middle was removing water. This was quite obviously a waterborne craft."

Azlina Ahmad found their actions harmless, and called upon others to just let them be: "They are entertaining us here. I want to see whether the tikar (mat) can fly or not. Excited to see."

The practice is not entirely foreign, said Napsiah Wan Salleh, who pointed out that clairvoyants are occasionally used in the West to help locate missing persons when all methods failed.

Dilla Amin also urged enraged netizens to focus their thoughts on finding the missing aircraft: "Please do not make a fool of yourself. Right now everybody needs to pray for #MH370 safety. Do not stop believing."
 
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