Kurt
Junior Member
Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?
And Argentina will have a customer for all that oil in the disputed regions.
And Argentina will have a customer for all that oil in the disputed regions.
Low-cost, muti-role aircraft for small militaries
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Pointblank
Senior Member
Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?
The problem is that Argentina's economy is on the decline, and Argentine debt is worth very little in the bond market... in fact, Argentina is looking at another credit crisis straight in the face. Another default of Argentina's debt is very possible.
In fact, an Argentine Navy training vessel was seized by creditors while it was in Ghana...
The problem is that Argentina's economy is on the decline, and Argentine debt is worth very little in the bond market... in fact, Argentina is looking at another credit crisis straight in the face. Another default of Argentina's debt is very possible.
In fact, an Argentine Navy training vessel was seized by creditors while it was in Ghana...
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?
media hype, the 4 RAF Typhoons stationed on Falklands will probably be enough for Argentinian airforce
not to mentioned Type 45 DDG which has been deployed in the past to Falklands and can hold a air defence umbrealla over entire Falklands and Southern part of Argentina
Argentina had its chance, they gave it a hell of a good try, and they even came close, but that was 1982, time has moved on and Falklands will remain part of UK
media hype, the 4 RAF Typhoons stationed on Falklands will probably be enough for Argentinian airforce
not to mentioned Type 45 DDG which has been deployed in the past to Falklands and can hold a air defence umbrealla over entire Falklands and Southern part of Argentina
Argentina had its chance, they gave it a hell of a good try, and they even came close, but that was 1982, time has moved on and Falklands will remain part of UK
Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?
This plane is not cheap for Argentina and as you say, has lots of foreign input. The engine derives from US.
This plane is not cheap for Argentina and as you say, has lots of foreign input. The engine derives from US.
Miragedriver
Brigadier
Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?
The Legendary Fragata Libertad: Seized!
Argentina suffers the ultimate humiliation. The legendary Fragata Libertad, the pride of the Argentine Navy, was seized for debts. When in school, we boarded that amazing ship and remember the stories of her yearly round-the-world sailing trips.
The Libertad, a three-mast tall ship with 330 navy cadets and crew aboard, was seized at the port of Tema, Ghana, through a court order obtained by N.M.L. Capital, a holdout creditor from Argentina’s default a decade ago that says it is owed more than $370 million. The creditor is among a few remaining holdouts to refuse debt restructuring agreements in 2005 and 2010. Argentina’s foreign minister, Héctor Timerman, said in a statement, “The vulture funds have crossed a boundary in their attacks on the Argentine republic.” He said the seizure violated the Vienna Convention, which grants military vessels diplomatic immunity. (From NYT)
With the mirages now decommissioned and half the A-4AR operational, and creditors seizing vessels. I’m sure the illustrious government will have the air force flying Pucaras and Pampas and the Navy in rowboats
The Legendary Fragata Libertad: Seized!
Argentina suffers the ultimate humiliation. The legendary Fragata Libertad, the pride of the Argentine Navy, was seized for debts. When in school, we boarded that amazing ship and remember the stories of her yearly round-the-world sailing trips.
The Libertad, a three-mast tall ship with 330 navy cadets and crew aboard, was seized at the port of Tema, Ghana, through a court order obtained by N.M.L. Capital, a holdout creditor from Argentina’s default a decade ago that says it is owed more than $370 million. The creditor is among a few remaining holdouts to refuse debt restructuring agreements in 2005 and 2010. Argentina’s foreign minister, Héctor Timerman, said in a statement, “The vulture funds have crossed a boundary in their attacks on the Argentine republic.” He said the seizure violated the Vienna Convention, which grants military vessels diplomatic immunity. (From NYT)
With the mirages now decommissioned and half the A-4AR operational, and creditors seizing vessels. I’m sure the illustrious government will have the air force flying Pucaras and Pampas and the Navy in rowboats
Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?
It would be best solution for Argentinian Air Forces. Low cost modern planes. And you can buy modern AA missiles and anti-ship missiles and guided bombs for this planes. Modern missiles no one from west not sell to Argentina, so this missiles can use against UK. But if agree sell, so missiles may be not work. Argentinian navy see poor quality western torpedoes during war 1982 year. If Argentina wish receive quality missiles and other armaments, so need by this in Russia.
Also you need buy in Russia airplanes-tankers "Il-476" and EW planes on base "Su".
It would be best solution for Argentinian Air Forces. Low cost modern planes. And you can buy modern AA missiles and anti-ship missiles and guided bombs for this planes. Modern missiles no one from west not sell to Argentina, so this missiles can use against UK. But if agree sell, so missiles may be not work. Argentinian navy see poor quality western torpedoes during war 1982 year. If Argentina wish receive quality missiles and other armaments, so need by this in Russia.
Also you need buy in Russia airplanes-tankers "Il-476" and EW planes on base "Su".
ManilaBoy45
Junior Member
Re: New life to older aircraft
Brazil did a great job in upgrading their F-5E aircraft which the Philippines failed to do so and instead retired it's entire fleet without a replacement in 2005 ...
Brazil did a great job in upgrading their F-5E aircraft which the Philippines failed to do so and instead retired it's entire fleet without a replacement in 2005 ...
Re: New life to older aircraft
There are definitely many capable older aircraft out there which can be upgraded, or brand new lower end trainers to be had. Part of the problem that hasn't been highlighted is that any fleet has to be maintained, so unless there is an immediate need for airpower a poor country may decide that it simply doesn't make sense to have any fleet at all. Besides from the aircraft, maintenance also includes resources to maintain the air crew, basing, and enough training to make the force competent. This would likely be a commitment for at least the lifetime of the aircraft. A poor country most likely cannot afford such a comprehensive program and it would be a waste of resources if they pursued a program which is not as comprehensive and therefore also likely to be ineffective.
There are definitely many capable older aircraft out there which can be upgraded, or brand new lower end trainers to be had. Part of the problem that hasn't been highlighted is that any fleet has to be maintained, so unless there is an immediate need for airpower a poor country may decide that it simply doesn't make sense to have any fleet at all. Besides from the aircraft, maintenance also includes resources to maintain the air crew, basing, and enough training to make the force competent. This would likely be a commitment for at least the lifetime of the aircraft. A poor country most likely cannot afford such a comprehensive program and it would be a waste of resources if they pursued a program which is not as comprehensive and therefore also likely to be ineffective.
joshuatree
Captain
Re: New life to older aircraft
If I were a 3rd world air force commander, what is my driving priority, offensive and/or defensive? With a limited budget, I may simply look into spending that money on some good SAM systems. Much more effective and less op/maint cost. When you don't have a big budget, the op/maint cost is what kills you, not the acquisition.
If I were a 3rd world air force commander, what is my driving priority, offensive and/or defensive? With a limited budget, I may simply look into spending that money on some good SAM systems. Much more effective and less op/maint cost. When you don't have a big budget, the op/maint cost is what kills you, not the acquisition.
ManilaBoy45
Junior Member
Re: New life to older aircraft
That's absolutely true, mobile long range SAM systems are the best alternatives to any nations air force with limited funding source ...
That's absolutely true, mobile long range SAM systems are the best alternatives to any nations air force with limited funding source ...