Littoral Combat Ships (LCS)
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Jura The idiot
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Jura The idiot
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inside the fresh article
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"An analysis of appropriations bills dating back to 2015 shows that Congress has slashed funding to the mission modules every year. Sources familiar with the situation said the cuts have led to a merry-go-round of delays, which Congress cites the next year as a reason for more cuts.
But Congress continues to buy ships every year, even buying a 33rd, 34th and 35th LCS above the 32-ship requirement set by the Navy."
:
"An analysis of appropriations bills dating back to 2015 shows that Congress has slashed funding to the mission modules every year. Sources familiar with the situation said the cuts have led to a merry-go-round of delays, which Congress cites the next year as a reason for more cuts.
But Congress continues to buy ships every year, even buying a 33rd, 34th and 35th LCS above the 32-ship requirement set by the Navy."
Jura The idiot
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wait,
Navy Awards Austal USA Contracts for LCS 36 and 38
Posted: December 17, 2018 1:04 PM
really?!
now used google to find
“The award of LCS 36 and 38 will mean that Austal has a forward order book of a further ten ships to deliver in a continuous production program that now extends out to 2025.”
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US Navy orders additional two littoral combat ships from Austal
Navy Awards Austal USA Contracts for LCS 36 and 38
Posted: December 17, 2018 1:04 PM
really?!
now used google to find
“The award of LCS 36 and 38 will mean that Austal has a forward order book of a further ten ships to deliver in a continuous production program that now extends out to 2025.”
inside
US Navy orders additional two littoral combat ships from Austal
It has a lot of room so it could be upgraded. Don't laugh at me!
And it has a nice flight deck...
Lockheed has had the odd numbered LCS up to 29. Austal and Lockheed are rapidly and rabidly fighting for the last LCS. Or what /may/ be the last LCS.
What makes, what, 15 Freedoms and 19 Independences so far. Last one up for grabs.
Jura The idiot
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recalled the most naïve statement I've ever made in this thread which is the art of the deal inside:
"in my opinion the program should be terminated (I know it would mean to pay off the two vendors for "block buy of 26", but I think Trump would skilfully cut some deal
for example give to each of them money for just one more, UNBUILT, for the favor of not building anything after that)"Feb 11, 2017
first I repeat Jan 9, 2017
which is reality; now:
with so many copies "sidelined" (six out of eight commissioned EDIT if I'm not mistaken), with so many issues (weaponry pretty much absent Dec 31, 2016), so late in the program (15 or so years) ...
in my opinion the program should be terminated (I know it would mean to pay off the two vendors for "block buy of 26", but I think Trump would skilfully cut some deal
... if the program isn't axed (and I of course know at the same time it's a job program!) and proceeds into "beefed up LCS" phase which the USN wants, then AS A RESULT in the future they'll have to commit Burkes to convoy duties etc., patrolling duties in "hot spots" etc. I mean in addition to the other Burkes' duties (CV escorts! ABMD!) with a significant total financial (the need for even more Burkes) and capability loss
... is my armchair-admiralling
Hey! I said don't laugh because, well, my comment was laughable.
Yes, the Indies have vast volume, but...there is a negative chance (less than zero) they will ever get any significant upgrade.
The whole program is such a fscking waste.
Jura The idiot
General
oh I laughed at me Feb 11, 2017
while now knowing what actually happened, for example Jul 10, 2017
etc.
I leave the rest to the US Naval Surface Command, wishing good luck
Well, I would like to see them STOP buying more LCS and START building the FF as the inmterim to the FFG(X).
I for one was glad to see the choice of the NSM, with Raytheon and Kongsberg. That is one GREAT missile, and as I understand it, the upgrades built into the JSM (Joiont Strike Missile) that the F-35As and Cs will be getting will also b able to be retrofitted into the NSM. This gives the Uparmed LCS and the FFs a GREAT weapon for either Anti-shipping, or land attack.
I am looking forward to that.
With each LCS carrying eight of the NSM, and with the Hellfire missiles, the 30mm cannons, and the Sea-RAMs, these ships will be decently armed ...finally!
They should add 16 VLS into the FF, and they should expand the new FFG(x) to its full potential of 32 VLS.
I believe the FFG(X) should get the LRASM for its VLS, using at least four cells for that, and then adding the eight NSM in their quad launchers as well. That would be twelve great ASMs for those FFG(X) vessels...leaving another 20 cells for anti-air and even VL-ASROC.
I have a freind who does GREAT job at 3D printing on Shapeways who has now made quad cannister NSM launchers which I will retrofit ont all of my 1/350 scale uparmed LCS and onto my twp 1/350 FFG(X) vessels as well.
I believe using two sextuple launchers for the NSM on the LPDs and on the LSD(x) which will use th San Antonio hull form would also be GREAT! 12 of those missiles would allow for great land support, as well as anti-shipping if needed...and they ought to pout the 16 cell Mk-41 VLS that the ships were designed to have room for as well.
Anyhow, here's how the uparmed LCS will look with the NSM:
View attachment 50509
So, in essence, the 38 LCS will have some decent weaponry now, and then add to that 20 some odd FFs, and then another 28 or so tru FFG(X)s.
That will be close to eighty frigates for the US Navy. There will be close to 100 Burkes before it is all said and done too.
Now we HAVE to get serious about the CG(X), which I hope uses the Zumwal hull form, but with 12--160 VLS, one decen large bore Rial gun, two smaller CIWS rail guns, two Laswe CIWS, and then two Sea-RAMs. Add at least four small bore 30mm guns, and you will have a ship capable of carrying a dual ban, larger AEGIS capable radar as the principle cruiser coordinating the defense of each CSG and each ARG.
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All good news.
I for one was glad to see the choice of the NSM, with Raytheon and Kongsberg. That is one GREAT missile, and as I understand it, the upgrades built into the JSM (Joiont Strike Missile) that the F-35As and Cs will be getting will also b able to be retrofitted into the NSM. This gives the Uparmed LCS and the FFs a GREAT weapon for either Anti-shipping, or land attack.
I am looking forward to that.
With each LCS carrying eight of the NSM, and with the Hellfire missiles, the 30mm cannons, and the Sea-RAMs, these ships will be decently armed ...finally!
They should add 16 VLS into the FF, and they should expand the new FFG(x) to its full potential of 32 VLS.
I believe the FFG(X) should get the LRASM for its VLS, using at least four cells for that, and then adding the eight NSM in their quad launchers as well. That would be twelve great ASMs for those FFG(X) vessels...leaving another 20 cells for anti-air and even VL-ASROC.
I have a freind who does GREAT job at 3D printing on Shapeways who has now made quad cannister NSM launchers which I will retrofit ont all of my 1/350 scale uparmed LCS and onto my twp 1/350 FFG(X) vessels as well.
I believe using two sextuple launchers for the NSM on the LPDs and on the LSD(x) which will use th San Antonio hull form would also be GREAT! 12 of those missiles would allow for great land support, as well as anti-shipping if needed...and they ought to pout the 16 cell Mk-41 VLS that the ships were designed to have room for as well.
Anyhow, here's how the uparmed LCS will look with the NSM:
View attachment 50509
So, in essence, the 38 LCS will have some decent weaponry now, and then add to that 20 some odd FFs, and then another 28 or so tru FFG(X)s.
That will be close to eighty frigates for the US Navy. There will be close to 100 Burkes before it is all said and done too.
Now we HAVE to get serious about the CG(X), which I hope uses the Zumwal hull form, but with 12--160 VLS, one decen large bore Rial gun, two smaller CIWS rail guns, two Laswe CIWS, and then two Sea-RAMs. Add at least four small bore 30mm guns, and you will have a ship capable of carrying a dual ban, larger AEGIS capable radar as the principle cruiser coordinating the defense of each CSG and each ARG.
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All good news.
The only thing lcs needs is some kind of a launcher for essm and Asroc BAE has a bolt on launcher that can do this it called the ADL and can launch anything up to SM 2 however this would not stop the whole lcs from being one big disaster from stability concerns to use if aluminum in construction yikes if its hit to propulsion problems not to mention the much balliehoid mission modules which are non existent