Lessons for China to learn from Ukraine conflict for Taiwan scenario

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kwaigonegin said:
People read incorrectly into what I was saying. I wasn't necessarily refering to the invasion of Taiwan or even fighting inside the 1st IC.
In which case OF COURSE PRC has a clear advantage! Anyone who thinks otherwise would obviously be clueless. Maybe Gordon C. may disagree but that's a seperate topic altogether.
It's like asking if the US will have an advantage if PRC decides to invade Cuba.
I was refering to an actual total war scenario between PRC and USA.
Anyway we've beaten this dead horse enough. I regret even posting about this topic in a place like this.
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The people replies to you basically assume that the conflict between CN and the US is triggered by events within the first IC (Taiwan or the Korean Peninsula), and its main combat area is also within and near the first IC by default. Of course, the comparison of the main forces and delivery capabilities of the two sides is also based on the above-mentioned default. Therefore, in this thread discussion, the comprehensive confrontation at the national level of the US is prone to ambiguity. Perhaps other places outside these two regions become the main battlefield of CN-US confrontation itself is a "vacuum spherical chicken" problem.

Nobody thinks PLA is invulnerable. On the contrary, on the entire battlefield in the Western Pacific, every step forward of the PLA is cautiously walking on thin ice, and this situation may continue until around 2035. If the previous argument caused you discomfort, sorry to ignore it.​
 
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Firstly, American don't have fire parity within the First Island Chain. There is no way for your bombers to take out Chinese bases using conventional weapons and keep bombing them to prevent repairs, but Chinese can take out American bases continuously, with just guided glide bombs.

Secondly, if most of American and its vassals' bases are destroyed up to the Second Island Chain, that means PLAAF has air dominance at least up to the First Island Chain. If your precious Virginia subs launched SLCMs, KQ-200 will hunt them down.

Please read up the relevant threads on the PLAAF, PLAN and PLARF order of battle.
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The problem is, for US side, they considered Japan and Philippine to be their land stage for the battle against China. And yes, Japan and Philippine will be devastated, but also does China. And this is what US want in any war scenario that they plan against China. They don't care if they will win or lose in any battle, as long as their mainland still intact, and China mainland got devastated in the war.
 
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Brainsuker said:
The problem is, for US side, they considered Japan and Philippine to be their land stage for the battle against China. And yes, Japan and Philippine will be devastated, but also does China. And this is what US want in any war scenario that they plan against China. They don't care if they will win or lose in any battle, as long as their mainland still intact, and China mainland got devastated in the war.
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Please list the ways for the US to “devastate” China.
 
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Brainsuker said:
The problem is, for US side, they considered Japan and Philippine to be their land stage for the battle against China. And yes, Japan and Philippine will be devastated, but also does China. And this is what US want in any war scenario that they plan against China. They don't care if they will win or lose in any battle, as long as their mainland still intact, and China mainland got devastated in the war.
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Now, I'm curious. Why China and Russia don't have any plan to build a joint military port / Sea Base like Okinawa in Kuril Islands? Because if they do, it will definitely bypass Japan, Philippine and Ryukyuu islands chain. With China form their 4th Fleet in Kuril island, Russia can free their fleets to more important sea area of theirs. And that action will definitely provoke US more; and change Japan attitude in their geopolitical stand against China and Russia.
 
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Brainsuker said:
Now, I'm curious. Why China and Russia don't have any plan to build a joint military port / Sea Base like Okinawa in Kuril Islands? Because if they do, it will definitely bypass Japan, Philippine and Ryukyuu islands chain. With China form their 4th Fleet in Kuril island, Russia can free their fleets to more important sea area of theirs. And that action will definitely provoke US more; and change Japan attitude in their geopolitical stand against China and Russia.
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How do PLAN provide supplies to the base in a war with the US and its vassals?
 
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Brainsuker said:
The problem is, for US side, they considered Japan and Philippine to be their land stage for the battle against China. And yes, Japan and Philippine will be devastated, but also does China. And this is what US want in any war scenario that they plan against China. They don't care if they will win or lose in any battle, as long as their mainland still intact, and China mainland got devastated in the war.
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If US attacks mainland China, and 'devastate' mainland China, what do you think the 1000 nukes(estimated) are for? The moment US even dare drop a boot on Chinese mainland soil, the war changes to a world war. If the war is confined to Taiwan which is what will most probably happen, China will win. Don't forget Russia will nuke US if China gets nuked, and China will nuke US if Russia gets nuke. It is just common sense, and UK and France will also nuke Russia and China. Then my friend, we will be back to stone age, if India decides to join the fun, Pakistan will also join, the whole world gets nuked. Lolol
 
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If US attacks mainland China, and 'devastate' mainland China, what do you think the 1000 nukes(estimated) are for? The moment US even dare drop a boot on Chinese mainland soil, the war changes to a world war. If the war is confined to Taiwan which is what will most probably happen, China will win. Don't forget Russia will nuke US if China gets nuked, and China will nuke US if Russia gets nuke. It is just common sense, and UK and France will also nuke Russia and China. Then my friend, we will be back to stone age, if India decides to join the fun, Pakistan will also join, the whole world gets nuked. Lolol
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And why would Russia do that for a country that isn't willing to help her about Ukraine out of fear of sanctions? And vice-versa...
 
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Han Patriot said:
If US attacks mainland China, and 'devastate' mainland China, what do you think the 1000 nukes(estimated) are for? The moment US even dare drop a boot on Chinese mainland soil, the war changes to a world war. If the war is confined to Taiwan which is what will most probably happen, China will win. Don't forget Russia will nuke US if China gets nuked, and China will nuke US if Russia gets nuke. It is just common sense, and UK and France will also nuke Russia and China. Then my friend, we will be back to stone age, if India decides to join the fun, Pakistan will also join, the whole world gets nuked. Lolol
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There is just no way for US to penetrate the heavy air defenses over the mainland. At most, they might inflict devastation on par with what Russians did to Lvov in 1 coastal city of their choice. US doesn't have enough bombers and missiles.

China will not start a nuclear war over that, because they will dish out way more damage to Japanese/Ryukyu (Philippines if they join) cities and eventually begin occupying the territories of the aggressors.

It is not worth it for China to throw a fit and do MAD in a war where they have such a large industrial output as well as geographical advantage.
 
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And why would Russia do that for a country that isn't willing to help her about Ukraine out of fear of sanctions? And vice-versa...
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So you think as China nukes America, America won't nuke Russia but will restrain itself to only counterattacking China?

Well I guess that's a good deal because the Chinese leadership along with civilians that made it to the bunkers can just go rebuild inside Russia and NK then, while America is completely gone.

Also it's been many times debunked that China isn't helping Russia. Cursory search will reveal Russian troops holding Chinese goods that are forbidden by US sanctions. But because US sanctions are not UN sanctions and have no international reach, such items continue to gather into the hands of Russians.

Putin just doesn't want to recieve entire pieces of hardware because understandably that would nuke the potential of his arms industry.
 
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