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PiSigma

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Firstly an F16 was shot down on that day, secondly it is not sure Mig 21 is shot down by aircraft or ground systems.

Third, Pakistan claimed they have 2 pilots and later changed their statements, the other person is Pakistani pilot.

Fourth, Pakistan came under pressure of missile strikes from India and released the pilot.

Before this show down, India bombed close to 300 terrorists in Balakot in a daring raid inside Pakistan.
If you are going to post Indian BS here like kakyan, at least try to put up real references... Pulling out BS won't convince anyone here.
 

steel21

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Firstly an F16 was shot down on that day, secondly it is not sure Mig 21 is shot down by aircraft or ground systems.

Third, Pakistan claimed they have 2 pilots and later changed their statements, the other person is Pakistani pilot.

Fourth, Pakistan came under pressure of missile strikes from India and released the pilot.

Before this show down, India bombed close to 300 terrorists in Balakot in a daring raid inside Pakistan.
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Do your pilot have a fitness requirement or as long as your gut can be squeezed in a flight suit suffice for flight qualifications.

Holy shit man, I don't think that guy has the abdominal muscle to pull Gs.

Anyhow, Reuter reports US counts all Pakistani F-16 as accounted for.

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Indian news are trash!
 

siegecrossbow

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Firstly an F16 was shot down on that day, secondly it is not sure Mig 21 is shot down by aircraft or ground systems.

Third, Pakistan claimed they have 2 pilots and later changed their statements, the other person is Pakistani pilot.

Fourth, Pakistan came under pressure of missile strikes from India and released the pilot.

Before this show down, India bombed close to 300 terrorists in Balakot in a daring raid inside Pakistan.

You are just proving my point...
 

Nobonita Barua

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If you are going to post Indian BS here like kakyan, at least try to put up real references... Pulling out BS won't convince anyone here.
Well he forgot to mention Pakistanis also shot down Su30MKI & claimed to toast Indian Air Farce chief.
Little dude here is fast to mention half of the claim but rejecting other half.
Also pretty sure Pakistani trained "terrorist" blew out 50+ costume guys within their own territory, so that by default was declaration of war. Wonder why apes went to bomb somewhere else. Pretty sure that's "scary".

We still don't know what happened to those su30 pilots.
 

twineedle

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Can you share the first two's perspectives and analysis? I know Shiv Aroor and dismiss him mostly because he says some pretty ridiculous things that are clearly have a nationalist flavour such as the below.

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He also doesn't weigh in on factual objective matters. Mostly just empty political commenting.

Share some insights by Taylor Fravel as well as the first two. Show where their evidence and sources are for the things they claim.

The Jai Hind message is inaccurate otherwise explain how it could have came out with such garbage like "nothing is happening, none of our claims are being violated" to "Taiwan shoots down Su-35" to "PLA lost 100+ men".
I have already posted an interview between Nitin ghokale and S Dinnny, but I will post it again.
Snehesh Alex Phillip is a pretty well known defence journalist, search for him and you will find his articles. He has been reporting on the standoff and was one of the first to report on the disengagement deal in detail.
But ... we already know this. This is disengagement. Why are you showing PLA taking Indian land and then moving back from Indian land when India agrees to not step onto it anymore?

If this shows IA camping up and taking it after then yeah lol maybe? but it just shows disengagement like what's happening on Pangong.

You should remember all of these parts were taken and controlled by PLA without challenge and remember these are all claimed by India and then some. Yet India must not step into these parts if they agree to conditions of PLA withdrawing away from FORWARD captured positions.
The first picture I posted shows a temporary Indian forward camp less than a km from pp14 which China claims, which is evidence of Indian patrols continuing there, at least before the winter. And India still has permanant camps in the valley.
 

manqiangrexue

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Firstly an F16 was shot down on that day,
Then the US count of PAF F-16s must have accidentally counted a ghost jet when it concluded none missing LOL
secondly it is not sure Mig 21 is shot down by aircraft or ground systems.
You're not sure but it makes little difference.
Third, Pakistan claimed they have 2 pilots and later changed their statements, the other person is Pakistani pilot.
Don't know about this. They captured one of your pilots; you have nothing to show.
Fourth, Pakistan came under pressure of missile strikes from India and released the pilot.
In the same sense that the British came under pressure from Indians and ended up building India's rail infrastructure for free.
Before this show down, India bombed close to 300 terrorists in Balakot in a daring raid inside Pakistan.
If they did, they didn't kill anyone because experience proves that Indian fire is only lethal to other Indians. Just ask the 7 dudes in the chopper y'all shot down. Well... I mean ask their ghosts.
 
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PiSigma

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Then the US count of PAF F-16s must have accidentally counted a ghost jet when it concluded none missing LOL

You're not sure but it makes little difference.

Don't know about this. They captured one of your pilots; you have nothing to show.

In the same sense that the British came under pressure from Indians and ended up building India's rail infrastructure for free.

If they did, they didn't kill anyone because experience proves that Indian fire is only lethal to other Indians. Just ask the 7 dudes in the chopper y'all shot down. Well... I mean ask their ghosts.
Pakistan can release a million trained pigeons to crash into Indian jets for all I care. As long as it can bring down Indian planes, black cat, white cat, cowshit, pigeon, missiles... They are all good.
 

Kakyan

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minute video by China was released. He was not given any awards during that period. Not even recognized by his so called country before that.

That shows 3 things:
1) Rangnamei would be nobody if it wasn't for China shaming him to the international audience.
Nice try but epic fail. Captain Rangamei was awarded with a Gallantry medal long before China released the video.
Here is the announcement from 25th Jan where he was listed among gallantry medal reciepients.

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