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jfy1155

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Only other details I know is that each officer captured had his separate interview. There is also a much longer video chronicling the whole incident off limits to the public. It is available for internal viewing in the PLA and might’ve been mandatory for frontline troops and border patrol.

According to a recent webcast with someone from CCTV, there were two voices with regards to whether the casualties and videos should be released at the beginning of the conflict. The ones who believed that they should be released believe that it will give China positive exposure internationally (revealing that China’s version of the story is correct) and provide ammunition for Chinese media. The other side argued that doing so will rile up domestic sentiments in both China and India and make the negotiations difficult.
I can only see 2 reasons why India is silent about the pictures and videos.

1. India has only have embarrassing footage from the Galwan clash
2. China captured the Indian soldiers and took their cameras and phones away
 

manqiangrexue

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Lol satellite images show any territory China "gained" is now vacated
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I am afraid you cannot capture territory while retreating at the same time.
I'm afraid that pretending to be bad at reading isn't a strategy to win a debate. It has been explained many times; I know an Indian's English can't be that bad except on purpose. China captured your territory first, then when you promised to be good, gave a little back. And if you act up, you will lose it again and more. Unfortunately for you, you can't simplify everything to be "at the same time" just because understanding sequence of events is too complicated for you.
China was forced to except a buffer zone in territory it occupied and patrolled.
The troops were forced only by the CCP's orders, because there is no force in India... except against other Indians. Whatever you have, you have by our mercy. Our temporary mercy conditional upon your behavior.
That is exactly what india wanted to acheive.
Indians always have low standards, and when they fail to reach it, they still say they got what they wanted to achieve anyway. It upholds your dignity in exchange for complacency over real life failure. That's general Indian culture and why India started higher than China decades ago and is now a gnome to China's colossus.
As a result, Status quo ante restored with the bonus of India securing its strategic infrastructure in Depsang and Galwan.
Status quo restored in Indian's troll minds so they can live on with a false sense of dignity. Loss of every conflict against China and Pakistan in real life.
 

twineedle

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1. The main cause of this conflict is because India intruded China's perception of LAC line at Galwan Valley
2. Some of China's PLA soldiers were martyred, China got its revenge and many more India soldiers were killed, and as a bonus punishment China moved forward to finger 4 at Pangong Tso and threatened more India's territory if India doesn't behave.
3. Since China already achieved its objective at Galwan Valley, stopping India's intruders, now moving back from finger 4 is reasonable. China move back from forward position and India now can not even go beyond finger 3, it is a fait accompli that India lost the territory, India accept to respect the China perception of LAC line.

From the current conflict:
What China gain:
- India is humiliated by needed to respect China's perception of LAC line, India can not enforce its claim to take back its claimed territory
- The world now know that India mostly consist of fake news propaganda media

What China lost:
- 4 martyr and few injured soldiers

Hopefully this will create a long lasting buffer area that follow China's perception of LAC line. China secure its border once for all with India around this area.
Except China's perception is beyond the buffer zone, which was a compromise. China initially asked India to vacate the entire Galwan valley, vacate Dhan SIngh Thapa, and stop building infrastructure in Chinese claimed territory. India refused all those demands, which is why there was a stalemate until India occupied heights on the southern bank. It was China that had to withdraw on the Pangong north bank and dismantle infrastructure. That is the exact opposite of a "fait accompli"

Also, the pangong conflict started nearly a month before the Galwan conflict. And satellite imagery clearly show Chinese troops, as seen in the video, attempted to cross the lac and build structures in previously undisputed territory that it now claims in its 1959 line.
 

twineedle

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I'm afraid that pretending to be bad at reading isn't a strategy to win a debate. It has been explained many times; I know an Indian's English can't be that bad except on purpose. China captured your territory first, then when you promised to be good, gave a little back. And if you act up, you will lose it again and more. Unfortunately for you, you can't simplify everything to be "at the same time" just because understanding sequence of events is too complicated for you.

The troops were forced only by the CCP's orders, because there is no force in India... except against other Indians. Whatever you have, you have by our mercy. Our temporary mercy conditional upon your behavior.

Indians always have low standards, and when they fail to reach it, they still say they got what they wanted to achieve anyway. It upholds your dignity in exchange for complacency over real life failure. That's general Indian culture and why India started higher than China decades ago and is now a gnome to China's colossus.

Status quo restored in Indian's troll minds so they can live on with a false sense of dignity. Loss of every conflict against China and Pakistan in real life.
I see you are stillt rying to cope with the fact PLA had to retreat from its own territory, as per its own 1959 claim line.

Anyway, it's hilarious how China is doing exactly what they say India is doing, retreating from its own claimed territory. If that is a defeat for India adn positive for China, I guess India does not need victories.
 

manqiangrexue

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I see you are stillt rying to cope with the fact PLA had to retreat from its own territory, as per its own 1959 claim line.
Everything you wrote here is you trying to cope with being Indian. I see you cannot write any point-to-point rebuttal as I always do because of a combination of mental inability and deprivation of ammunition due to pathetic national performance.
Anyway, it's hilarious how China is doing exactly what they say India is doing, retreating from its own claimed territory.
It's hilarious how Indian beggars create an alternate universe in their minds in which they took by force the meager things they were given and command the respect of others through their competence and achievements when actually, in military circles, India is basically a poor version of Saudi Arabia buying top dollar for foreign stuff then running it into the ground.
If that is a defeat for India adn positive for China, I guess India does not need victories.
There is no if. It is, and the reason that India doesn't need victories is because Indians have convinced themselves to stop pining after what you cannot have anyway. Rather, an imaginary version will do.
I would like to know is Jainism prevalent in China ?
Before I get removed from this forum;)
No, religions are prevalent in India. Science is prevalent in China :D
 

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Except China's perception is beyond the buffer zone, which was a compromise. China initially asked India to vacate the entire Galwan valley, vacate Dhan SIngh Thapa, and stop building infrastructure in Chinese claimed territory. India refused all those demands, which is why there was a stalemate until India occupied heights on the southern bank. It was China that had to withdraw on the Pangong north bank and dismantle infrastructure. That is the exact opposite of a "fait accompli"

Going by your assertion, prior to India gaining advantage in South Pangong Tso, China held all advantage. Which is true because China was able to push back India from P8-P4-toP2/3 and gain advantage most of the areas north.

But then that would mean no clear path for disengagement. It could lead to a hot war especially up North of Pangong Tso.

Do you think either China or India would've simply relented to the unilateral demands from either side? If anything, the least violent solution would be a lukewarm border always in an active state of confrontation - Much like India-Pakistan border.
Such a situation is not of interest to China.

China indeed demanded entire regions be evacuated fully cognizant of the realistic solutions it could expect.
And thus China kept discipline as down South, India inserted itself, with mechanized regiments, into the Kailash ranges relatively unopposed. China didn't bother to oppose, almost as if China wanted India to gain a card so as to make the idea of disengagement possible (and digestible to the masses).

With the Pangong Tso agreement, China forced India to hand in the Kailash "pass" entirely ( that China "gave" it) and IA had to retreat from Kailash ranges.

If India gained Kailash ranges over hard fighting with China, it wouldn't have traded it as readily. But it did. That's a question you might want to ask Indian leadership itself.

When viewed together with the aggression at Galwan, China's action can be seen to be focused on increasing pressure at areas North of Pangong Tso and laying groundworks for future buildup there. Because that's the region that holds the key to Siachen Glacier, Karakoram pass and Tibet - Xinjiang, China Pakistan economic Corridor.
 
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