Ladakh Flash Point
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The way I see it, PLA just don't know how to fight information warfare.
Why do they think, that by releasing less information, they have a better chance of control the situation? When you hide information meant for the public, you lose initiate and yield the control to your opponent.
And how does it look in third party's eye? You don't release information, who are they gonna believe?
What PLA doing is no better than modern era Duke Xiang of Song. A commanding officer risk his life to do frontline negotiation. Are we talking about modern military, or medieval time when a general charge enemy formation?
As to the end result. China was able to defend their position in Galawan valley, which is what they should have done.
At pangong tso, if China had to pay the price of stopping patrolling finger 4-8, I don't see how this can be acceptable to China, not to mention a win. Stop the nonsense about Taiwan or south china sea. Are you telling me that China doesn't have the capability to defend herself on two fronts, thus have to give up something?
Why do they think, that by releasing less information, they have a better chance of control the situation? When you hide information meant for the public, you lose initiate and yield the control to your opponent.
And how does it look in third party's eye? You don't release information, who are they gonna believe?
What PLA doing is no better than modern era Duke Xiang of Song. A commanding officer risk his life to do frontline negotiation. Are we talking about modern military, or medieval time when a general charge enemy formation?
As to the end result. China was able to defend their position in Galawan valley, which is what they should have done.
At pangong tso, if China had to pay the price of stopping patrolling finger 4-8, I don't see how this can be acceptable to China, not to mention a win. Stop the nonsense about Taiwan or south china sea. Are you telling me that China doesn't have the capability to defend herself on two fronts, thus have to give up something?
I think it’s a result of generations of people growing up in an information/culturally isolated society.
You can see this disconnect by looking at media twitter accounts like Chen Weihua’s.
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I don't think you know what you're talking about.
First of all, who the hell cares what "third parties" think? We know, and they know, even if they won't admit it, and that's enough. The PLA isn't interested in keyboard warfare.
Second, when you do negotiations, you need someone who has the authority to make decisions on the ground. Do you think a private has the authority to make decisions on behalf of the PLA? The Chinese side went to parlay with the Indian side in accordance with standard protocols. The Indians treacherously attacked the Chinese party, and the Chinese commander kept his group together while under assault from overwhelming numbers. Under his leadership, the small Chinese group held out long enough for PLA reinforcements to arrive. He did this by taking part in the battle alongside his soldiers. It's called courage.
Finally, how did this "information warfare" work out in Hong Kong? For all the Western media support they had, those cockroaches were still stamped out and are now fleeing like rats, and Beijing didn't need to send in a single PAP officer. All they needed to do was to pass a law, and HK authorities did the rest. Beijing read the situation correctly.
Give up to whom? Since it hasn't been taken away from China, making a case for absolute lose is quite impossible.
I'm quite glad that it has been resolved the way it is. To have India leave with some face is good in the long run as that country has the capability to set fire to itself and others out of spite. That's what toxic right wing religio-cultural movement confers a nation with.
A better deal, in China's perspective (or Chinese nationalist perspective) would be absolute wins (taking P8 to P2),Galwan valley etc... But that also means abandoning the pragmatic considerations conferred to nations like India. There is past precedence too (South Tibet is an example).
Just like Mr Kakyan posted about that Waterfall. It's located in Cumo county. The 11the County of Shannan district of South Tibet (which also comes under Indian claims of territory). If large parts of seemingly forsaken South Tibet can exist ( a person looking at a Topographical map would realize that these regions lay beyond the plateau top and would be hard to defend in a war anyway) then 100 sq kms parcels of land in Ladakh may be subject to the same considerations and be given the "due" relevance.
Ultimately, China hasn't let go off the claims to these lands.
Your logic is flawed. If the land is hard to defend, how could it be Chinese territory in the first place. Claim means nothing when you show no willingness to defend or maintain.
If this is PlA way of thinking, giving up land perceived to be hard to defend, I'm speechless.
However, it seems like I've been misinformed regarding some things.
1. Who actually claimed PP14 first? Thanks to the posts here I realized that there exists a case for that being India. If that's the truth, then the entire Galwan incident takes a wild twist in total plot.
2. What are the actual Indian and Chinese borders of South Tibet. It seems like the regions north of Tawang and South of Cumo are forests that sees "intrusions" from both regions. There was a Cgtn piece about border rehabilitation that mentions the Mogpa ethnic minority and their struggles living there. It mentions that the Indian controlled regions is 2-5 km away from their settlements and visiting them requires special permissions.
3. P17A and P15 (Gurung and Hot Springs). I read that PLA has pushed itself into Indian claims.
1. Who actually claimed PP14 first? Thanks to the posts here I realized that there exists a case for that being India. If that's the truth, then the entire Galwan incident takes a wild twist in total plot.
2. What are the actual Indian and Chinese borders of South Tibet. It seems like the regions north of Tawang and South of Cumo are forests that sees "intrusions" from both regions. There was a Cgtn piece about border rehabilitation that mentions the Mogpa ethnic minority and their struggles living there. It mentions that the Indian controlled regions is 2-5 km away from their settlements and visiting them requires special permissions.
3. P17A and P15 (Gurung and Hot Springs). I read that PLA has pushed itself into Indian claims.
Hey hey, I'm just speculating here in the absence of no solid reasons.
I'm just in the dark. Ultimately you've to ask Mao and Co at PLA why they chose to do that. PLA effectively got control of the regions but moved back.
Maybe the reason I cited could explain. And I am just regurgitating what I read elsewhere.
Oh God It's like chicken talking to duck.
In modern warfare, a commanding officer don't show their braveness by having their heads smashed upon. They just don't. Stop reading The romance of three kingdoms. You think you are playing the 7 captures of Meng Huo? How silly is that?
About Hong Kong, it's supposed to be a no-lose situation for China. Yet China let the situation deteriorated over the course of two decades, and in the end, had to resort to drastic measures that they should have done long time ago. And the price? In the number of trillions of dollars because it got inevitablely connected to Taiwan.
And you think war is just between two parties. How naive is that.
I bet they'll come back again. May not be at exact same location, but rest assured.
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