Ladakh Flash Point
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What you said is exactly why China got into this mess, by showing unwillingness to fight.
The notion that by releasing casualty number, war would erupt is utter nonsense. The stronger military power control the situation by willingness and capability to escalate, not by deescalate in humiliation. And to those deceased, yes it was a humiliation how they were treated.
I wonder where the Russians got their "45 Chinese servicemen dead" figure from. Well it is an old Russian strategy: siding with China on most other conflicts, but keep India as a check on China's growing power. I remember when I interned for Jeffrey Lewis, a Russian colleague said while Russia sells lots of high-tech stuffs to China, "India always gets more." And India also buys more weapon from Moscow than China does. As much as Delhi and Washington are getting closer, Moscow seems hesitant to lose its Cold War strategic partner.
manqiangrexue
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What a loss for China, 4 heroes. Every Indian life in existence couldn't even the scales. I have no idea how the commanders resisted executing every Indian POW with a rusty hunting knife seeing the bodies of the 4 fallen comrades.
As for the 4 or 5 confusion, I'm guessing they initially thought 5 because the dude maybe went into a coma and they thought he wasn't gonna make it so they said 5 amongst themselves, but he somehow pulled through later. Official source, the latest source for release says 4, as I understand.
Also, what the hell is a Jawan? Is it a special class of soldier like an Uruk Hai Orc or a place in India known for crazy people or what? Cus every Chinese soldier from every province and locality is expected to be as fierce and competent as every other man. China doesn't say stupid shit like, "Just you wait till the Shandong guys get here; then you'll be screwed."
As for the 4 or 5 confusion, I'm guessing they initially thought 5 because the dude maybe went into a coma and they thought he wasn't gonna make it so they said 5 amongst themselves, but he somehow pulled through later. Official source, the latest source for release says 4, as I understand.
Also, what the hell is a Jawan? Is it a special class of soldier like an Uruk Hai Orc or a place in India known for crazy people or what? Cus every Chinese soldier from every province and locality is expected to be as fierce and competent as every other man. China doesn't say stupid shit like, "Just you wait till the Shandong guys get here; then you'll be screwed."
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wait for a minute... you are saying it's China, not India were humiliated in 1962 and 2020? ha...... that is certainly new to me
I can see the benefit of hiding 1 death or a few injuries.
But I can't think of a good strategic benefit of this if China was in the right.
Maybe the military leadership thought it was a blunder to send those people in without much protection?
And as per PAF, interceptors were already on the way before Indian Mirages shat themselves and ran. A credible claim since that's also precisely what they did the next day. Being out of range of F-16s and still panicking + running doesn't help your case at all.
You can pick and choose your sources all you want, but expect to be ridiculed as a result. Some Western think tanks say this and so we must believe it, nonono not THOSE Western think tanks. Quote from wiki:
And no, Indian commanders have lost all credibility on this issue. I've said this before so please pay attention. If people are doubting claims from IAF sources and you have a problem with that, go take it up with those commanders and tell them to stop lying so much next time because their lies are seriously making you look like a fool on internet forums.
As for J-10C vs J-7 knocked out, consider this option: how about neither get knocked out without retaliation? Arguably, a J-7 getting shot down would create more outrage because Chinese citizens would actually be asking the real questions, like "Why are we still using 1960s-era jets to intercept our greatest rival?"
You absolutely would not see such an attitude of "whatever at least they ONLY shot down a J-7, not like they shot down a J-10C anyway", because that quickly slips into "woops they actually splashed a J-10C this time, at least it wasn't our J-......okay yeah now they swatted our J-20 too". That's just big-time loser behaviour, and I am not sure why you need this explained to you for like the third time now. Having ANYTHING shot down is unacceptable even if it is a cardboard glider, and anything less than at least a proportionate response WILL be seen as proof of weakness
6:1 advantage and still getting slapped. All the more reason to recognize Pakistan's resolve and competence over IAF who couldn't use this massive advantage to even shoot down a PAF third-generation Mirage let alone a fourth-generation JF or F-16. Talk is cheap alright, and certainly cheaper than a modernized MiG-21 for sure. That's why Indian pundits and nationalists can only dish out talk and more talk. If you dished out more R-73s instead maybe you can actually score a kill next time.
The real bad news here is that all those Cope India exercises with the USAF clearly don't pay off even slightly. Which sucks for me too because I used to love crapping on F-15s by using Cope India 2004 as an example of them getting owned by MiG-21s, and now I can't do that on comment sections anymore without someone bringing this up. Thanks a lot.
Do those people have reading comprehension problems? Qi Fabao was seriously wounded, not killed.
I see those idiots also skipped out the details on how they essentially ambushed the Chinese troops during negotiations.
MwRYum
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Battalion CO isn't that "top ranking", but "high enough" as far as protocol demands. Certainly there's a risk involved but for India to go that far...still, for ranking officers to take comparable risk as those of rank and file is a long-standing PLA tradition, even commissars are expected to get himself into the thick of it even before the calls come in
Even from the onset it's very clear that Beijing's official stance is "not to proactively escalate the situation", whereas we witnessed New Delhi doing the exact opposite. However, the same can't be said as to preparation for war on that front, while India went frantically shop for winter gear globally, China rolled out their own standardized winter in more orderly fashion, something like "10 working days from frontline units placing orders to delivery" commitment; between "toughing it out" by Indians and "improving living conditions" by the Chinese, speaks volume of the logistical capacities...for Chinese themselves knows "toughing it out" is another way of saying "we have logistical problems". Warfighting is more than just shiny gears, the logistic that sustain those shiny gears' continual operation is just as important.
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