Ladakh Flash Point

Kakyan said:

Currently tanks are being pulled back.
Just after Chinese realized Biden is not going to be soft on China, they accepted the disengagement plan proposed by India in November.
How predictable.

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Yea, poor Chinese. We all knew president of India Joe Biden will never compromise sovereignty of his country's any state, be it in native america or Asia. China should've deployed DF5 there
Let's say this time he saved his state, will see next time if joe biden can save indian state of US

Kakyan said:

Currently tanks are being pulled back.
Just after Chinese realized Biden is not going to be soft on China, they accepted the disengagement plan proposed by India in November.
How predictable.

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No it totally has nothing to do with the Farmers Protests which are finally making headlines world wide after the last couple of months.

I would be very nervous if I was Tsai right now.

siegecrossbow said:

No it totally has nothing to do with the Farmers Protests which are finally making headlines world wide after the last couple of months.

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no it doesn't, and it definitely doesn't have to do anything with high morale & high "endurance jawans" deployed there
China backed off because of US as he said, accept the fact, don't twist it

I doubt this has anything to do with US/Biden pressure on China. China kept its foot firmly on the disputed land for a year as Trump was in office and India did nothing about it. Nothing they do and say now was any more or even equal in effort as what's been done before.

If there is a mutual withdrawal to pre-2019 positions then it goes to show China is certainly not interested in getting bogged down in a war with India. Any mutual withdrawal should mean we will not see India perform any more salami slicing or intrusions. Neither side will probably perform road building or potentially inflammatory actions. This just pushes the issue further down the road.

Gotta wonder why China didn't just stay put on the dispute territory. Did it cave in to Indian pressure? Is there greater strategic consideration e.g. for the sake of future cooperation or neutrality with India? Image move?

Going up to the mid-line of the disputed land in response to increased Indian activity and trespassing was done and unchallenged. Trump had no care at all and neither does/will Biden.

Modi could do nothing for a year and nothing's changed militarily.

Leaving the gains now is just such a relative blow for China.

We can be sure that IF China is receiving some gains somewhere else as a result of negotiations, India will not report on it and China will be tightlipped.

I don't know if CCP thinks it can make India into a friend with some mercy as they're struggling internally and been receiving some natural disasters. Whatever the deal is if any, we'll probably never learn of them.

The more I consider beyond these military forum chauvinist/nationalist chambers, the more this actually does make sense.

Jai Hind chauvinists will always be the way they are. Who cares. India hasn't invaded into China proper even if their claiming of Chinese claims are annoying where the reverse is true as well.

Many pro-China and neutral people actually do judge and give merit to their views with evidence like "China is not violent and doesn't actually invade and wage war if you think beyond the western narratives". I don't personally believe China's lacking of war experience is because it is just nicer but it does pander to that line of thinking where it can. Doesn't hurt.

Settling this drama even with a withdrawal back to previous positions also probably means India will not be inflaming them either. Continuing to occupy means continuing to prepare for war with India. Perhaps the sudden agreement has to do with a sudden military diversion.

Increasing China Taiwan military confrontation is concerning and one or both sides may be about to make moves with hype from rumours. While I really doubt the US is interested in pulling China away from war with India since it's been encouraging it if anything, some sort of concern for US military's potential activity may play some part in settling.

Kakyan said:

Currently tanks are being pulled back.
Just after Chinese realized Biden is not going to be soft on China, they accepted the disengagement plan proposed by India in November.
How predictable.

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More like India realized that Biden wont be coming to their rescue. Do remember that Biden and Modi spoke just few days back and Modi was probably informed that they're on their own here. He had no option but to accept whatever China demanded. Lol

I think withdraw is a mistake. Having already lasted through the winter months China should keep up the pressure until further concessions could be gained. More importantly, India will definitely try intruding when the weather is accommodating. They should not let down their guard.

Kaeshmiri said:

More like India realized that Biden wont be coming to their rescue. Do remember that Biden and Modi spoke just few days back and Modi was probably informed that they're on their own here. He had no option but to accept whatever China demanded. Lol

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Biden and US may not give much if any assistance to India but it's quite possible China had few demands. The Indians have nothing to give China and China basically putting what they captured back to being disputed territory only serves to improve China's image of being reasonable and peaceful in the minds of rational Indians. The Jai Hind crowd will forever be the way they are. They would only call it Indian defeat if New Delhi is being invaded. Anything else is Indian victory to them as evidenced by the countless media propaganda and lies they've propagated.

China's been relatively unchallenged in holding half of the disputed land. Indians attacked once in June and got over 40 jawans captured. Then they tried capturing unguarded positions in Chinese side and were repelled within a week. The Indians couldn't repel PLA from Galwan valley to finger 4 for a year.

Why did China change its mind about simply redrawing the borders to those new lines? well for one thing it had no interest in a war with India even if it is capable of winning a conventional or nuclear one. It had no interest in gaining actual Indian land that both sides recognise as India's. Sitting there is always going to be a cause for hatred from Jai Hinds and at least annoyance and drama from normal Indians. Creating more Jai Hinds our of normal Indians is definitely not something China should want to do but it pretty much already did. These lower strategic matters the CCP never think about. This has been abundantly clear in many ways. They love to play that 100 year game.

Another potential worrying reason for ensuring India and China are as far from going to war as possible is things heating up with Taiwan or an anticipated US kinetic war. While this is technically the US becoming a huge factor in the confrontation between India and China, it is unrelated.

siegecrossbow said:

I think withdraw is a mistake. Having already lasted through the winter months China should keep up the pressure until further concessions could be gained. More importantly, India will definitely try intruding when the weather is accommodating. They should not let down their guard.

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That's just how the CCP operates. Their ways are indeed very mysterious but they also seem to know what's up and plan surprisingly well.

I don't think China gets anything from withdrawing even though it is technically going to be China giving up "gains". I say that because from China's pov they're just retaking what they considered their's to begin with while leaving India still a fairly decent chunk of that disputed strip this whole time. China's claim run up to finger 2 iirc.

Jai Hinds will chalk it up to Rafales or Biden or US or undisclosed jawan heroism and effectiveness that mysteriously was not used for a whole year despite numerous attempts and changes in approach to repel PLA. That is somewhat of a loss for China but then again, if both are moving to pre-2019 positiions or so and India stops inflaming the disputed territory as much as they did between Doklam crisis and 2019, then that's relatively better for China not considering the gains.