Ladakh Flash Point

canniBUS said:

There are plenty of Indians who know the world and know that their government is not acting in their interest. In fact by recent news reports there are at least 250 million of them. China should remember the principle of internationalism lies at the core of communist theory and lend a hand to these more knowledgeable people in India.

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And those are the people I mentioned who "can NOT convince [their countrymen] with truth and sound reasons and expect to outperform [their] populist opponents in ballots".
Trust me, I am one of the least anti-Indian Chinese, because I am Buddhist. I actually Dharmic culture. Yet, I still can't get myself to say anything good about them, because I don't want to be a blatant liar.

jimmyjames30x30 said:

But in my opinion, Indian actions are futile and a waste of resources.

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Of course, and they will learn this too eventually, the easy way, or the hard way.

vincent said:

Your whole premise is China provoked India to act in the border region. The fact does not support that. India has been pushing the LAC toward China for decades. China put a stop to it, that’s all. It wasn’t part of a grand strategy.

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I am not saying that "China provoked India to act...", because there is no point in saying such idiotic things in realpolitik. To use a Chinese folk idiom: “姜太公钓鱼，愿者上钩”. You can not rape the willing, nor can you provoke the tranquil mind. The idea of grand strategy does NOT rest upon one single action, grand strategy rest upon people's nature and the momentum of the masses. It's not a simple trick or deception, but insight into the state of being of an entire population.

I already said again and again, China will NOT waste resources and effort on tricking a skeptical opponent. You trick the fool, not the skeptic. The PRC's very existence, her unique existence will undoubtedly push India into her current course of action. This is because China managed to revolutionize their own social structure, which is something that the Indians can not accomplish. Such a revolutionary change gave China the upper edge, which manifested first in her military superiority (the victory in 1962), and then in economics (the last 40 years). Indians can try to ignore these facts by playing with rhetoric, but it does NOT change these facts.

You only put a microscope that focus on a small piece of action, without looking at the whole historical context. Indian actions are never a materialization of proactive foresight, but rather a listless reactionary gibberish caused by fear. They don't have a plan. They think they do. But their so-call plan has no meaning, what real meaning does taking Tibet has for the Indians? The Himalaya/Tibetan plateau is not a golden "new world", it's a middle of nowhere. India is ONLY interested in the Tibetan Plateau because of national defense, nothing more. All they want is a buffer zone. And to be frank, only weaklings on the strategic defensives want buffer zones. The Strong always want to erase the buffer zone in order to get to the juicier gains on the other side of the buffer zone. This should clearly tell you that their actions are passive and reactionary. They are NOT actually expansionistic.

Real expansionistic minded people look at a regions first and foremost as an access point to a greater world. An example of this is Emperor Wudi of Han (汉武帝）who look upon the Hexi Corridor (河西走廊) as an access point to the rest of Eurasia. That's a great mind.

Indians, on the other hand, look at Tibet has fortress and a wall. Their only want it to shut China and Chinese out of their world. China look at Himalayas as a point of access to reach the subcontinent. India wants Himalayas and Tibet only as a buffer-zone and wall to shut China out of the Indian world. This is the deterministic difference between the two.

vincent said:

Your whole premise is China provoked India to act in the border region. The fact does not support that. India has been pushing the LAC toward China for decades. China put a stop to it, that’s all. It wasn’t part of a grand strategy.

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If hypothetically, India is really an expansionistic power. Than what would be their point in getting Himalayas and Tibet? Their point will ONLY be to reach China. Well, China also want to reach India, so why not already build more bridges and roads between the two, and also in Pakistan? One can only be expansionistic if one have got what it takes to be expansionistic. If India is the dominant power in Asia, she will be the country that build roads and bridges and try all she can to reach others. What India is doing right now is preventing other from building roads and bridges between each other.

If India is the dominant power in economy and military, she will be keep the peace and deescalate in the region, while at the same time try all she can to strengthen economic ties with neighbor, because the more land-bridge she has to neighboring countries, the more influence she can exert. She would want to build more land bridges to and between every country in the region, including Pakistan and China, and those will be access points to influence other. She would want greatly elevate trade, exchange of goods and thought, as well as connections between her neighbors, just like how the US wants Japan and South Korea to strengthen their mutual ties. Now that is the type of power and prestige that is real.

Right now, India is a scared little cat trying to act like a big tiger, only to scare off her neighbor whom she fear as her adversaries. The real powerful do NOT see others as adversaries, unless they are losing their own edge in power.

Bull Shit Danoa is at it again. Hahaha. There is just so much BS in this article, its so fun to pick it apart. LOL...

The former Air Chief was moderating a discussion on the airpower capabilities of China on the first day of the Military Literature Festival here on Friday with Air Vice Marshal Arjun Subramaniam (retd), Group Captain Ravinder Chatwal (retd) and Taiwanese strategic expert, Dr Ming-shih Shen.

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Indian and Taiwanese 'defence experts' having 'discussions'. Reality: More like a get together chat for losers. One an ex-Air Chief who lost his job after getting the 'mighty' IAF spanked by the 'inferior' PAF. Another, a Chinese (no such nationality as Taiwanese) sellout who is still fantasizing that Mainland China is weaker than Taiwan. Or perhaps a Chinese agent feeding into Indian bloated ego.

Air Chief Marshal Dhanoa said that the People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) had sketchy air battle experience which was restricted to bombing operations in the Korean war.

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Yeah sure, the PLAAF have 'sketchy air battle experience'. The same PLAAF that have chased away Japanese F-15s, Taiwanese F-16s, and have 'said hi' to US planes over the SCS.

Well BS Danoa was in command of the 'most experienced' air force in Asia. Everything was aligned for his IAF to beat the PAF easily. Yet instead, the PAF gave the IAF one of the biggest humiliations of any modern air force in 2019. Clearly BS Danoa is not qualified to speak on matters of air war strategies. That's like a failed football manager becoming a football pundit. Wait... Failed football managers are regularly hired for punditry! So, like those losers, BS Danoa is also an 'entertainer'?

“In fighter operations, you have to have deployments where airfields mutually support each other. Airfields are far away in Tibet from each other, in some cases around 400 km. This reduces loiter time for the aircraft, reduces fuel capacity if you have to divert. Our bases are within 100 km of each other in comparison and we can distribute our assets more easily,” said Air Chief Marshal Dhanoa.

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You should stay away from giving air warfare advice BS Danoa. Your track record speaks for itself. Anyway...

The PLAAF have no interest to contest the skies deep inside India. Their job is mainly to secure the skies over Chinese territories and over the border region of India. So all that limited loiter time thing is kinda moot. Besides, PLAAF have aerial tankers for those planes that need to stay in the air for longer. And the PLAAF have a large fleet of Flankers for long-ranged CAPs. Maybe BS Danoa is thinking that since the IAF has the 'range advantage' its the IAF jets that could venture deep into China instead? Well those IAF pilots are very much welcomed to enjoy the hospitality of both the Chinese IADS and PLAAF.

The former Air Chief said Chinese military doctrine depends a lot on rockets and artillery which is old Soviet theory.

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An old Soviet theory that still kicks ass. Does India wanna put it to the test? Prove this theory wrong for once? But off course, BS Danoa still thinks that this is 1962 China. Still only using rockets and artillery. Bet he haven't heard about the assortments of Chinese missiles and PLAAF planes in Tibet and Xinjiang that can join the party. Or perhaps he also didn't know the story of the Chinese microwave weapon?

“In any future conflict there will be a lot of body bags coming back. Chinese society will not be able to take it like they did in 1962. Will their society allow them to face attrition like Korea?” he asked.

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There is already a lot of Indian body bags coming back as of now. And yet India is still determined to continue this foolish, yet deadly game of winter bravado. So yes I agree with you, BS Danoa. That the Chinese society would not accept attrition, but only pointless attrition. The kind of attrition that India is so happily tolerating right now. Wasting lives is not acceptable for China. But apparently its not a problem for India. Go figure.

There is something about the Indian elites mentality. That because Indian troops are more expendable, so they must be braver than Chinese troops. Yes, Chinese troops are not expendable; unlike Indian troops. But it doesn't make them any less brave. There are already too many humiliating videos of PLA troops sending IA troops running for their lives. Must be a hard reality check indeed for India. LOL...

“Everybody wants to quote Azerbaijan, Armenia conflict examples for drones but neither of them had integrated air defence system. Small drones in swarms will complicate things a bit but will they be deployed in the Himalayas is a big question. Survival of large drones in other than ISR role is a big question,” Dhanoa added.

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BS Danoa ain't seen nothing yet. Those Chinese drone swarms, and Sharp Sword stealth UCAVs are real indeed. He and the Indian military are really gonna enjoy them.

The former Air Chief maintained that even if there was a stalemate with China it will be a loss for it. “Neither we can take Lhasa nor can he take Leh. But even if there is a stalemate, he loses face,” he said.

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BS Danoa, I admire your honesty that India cannot (can never) take Tibet. But I must address your twisted Indian logic again. China has no ambitions to take Leh. But India covets Tibet so...so... much. In fact, India is obsessed about taking Tibet. We have never seen any Chinese claim maps with Leh in it. But we have seen too many Indian fanboys claiming Tibet into India. Not only are there cartoonish Indian claim maps claiming Tibet. But there are also a number Indian writers, fanboys, media personalities, even BJP politicians who fantasize India capturing Tibet. If there is any party that would be utterly butthurt in a stalemate, it would most surely be India.

Gp Capt Ravinder Chatwal said that PLAAF has limitations in launching air campaign against India due to limited number of airfields in Tibet. He said while the deployment of Surface to Air Missiles by China is at a massive level in Ladakh yet these too had limitation due to the line of sight problem in mountains.

“The S400 may be long-range but you cannot achieve that in mountains. The universal way is to fly at low level and you will be out of their envelope. We need to get out of the myth that the Chinese are ten feet tall,” he said.

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Ah yes another Indian Military idiot. Gp Capt Ravinder Chatwal, you do know that China have AWACS and ground facing radars to monitor IA troop movements? Besides, when flying low, it isn't just the S-400 that IAF jets have to worry about. PLAAF fighters, HQ-17s, HQ-7s, and PLAGF AAA systems can all give the IAF jets a nice welcome party.

Gp Capt Ravinder Chatwal, whoever said Chinese are ten feet tall? I have not heard it from China, that's for sure. Did it came from those Jawans who fled in terror after encountering PLA troops in non-lethal combat? In an attempt to justify their cowardice, maybe those Jawans describe PLA troops as 'monsters'. That they are ten feet tall with claws, fangs, and scary faces? Becareful Captain, you're embarrassing your fellow Jawans to your enemies. LOL...

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Bull Shit Danoa is at it again. Hahaha. There is just so much BS in this article, its so fun to pick it apart. LOL...


Indian and Taiwanese 'defence experts' having 'discussions'. Reality: More like a get together chat for losers. One an ex-Air Chief who lost his job after getting the 'mighty' IAF spanked by the 'inferior' PAF. Another, a Chinese (no such nationality as Taiwanese) sellout who is still fantasizing that Mainland China is weaker than Taiwan. Or perhaps a Chinese agent feeding into Indian bloated ego.


Yeah sure, the PLAAF have 'sketchy air battle experience'. The same PLAAF that have chased away Japanese F-15s, Taiwanese F-16s, and have 'said hi' to US planes over the SCS.

Well BS Danoa was in command of the 'most experienced' air force in Asia. Everything was aligned for his IAF to beat the PAF easily. Yet instead, the PAF gave the IAF one of the biggest humiliations of any modern air force in 2019. Clearly BS Danoa is not qualified to speak on matters of air war strategies. That's like a failed football manager becoming a football pundit. Wait... Failed football managers are regularly hired for punditry! So, like those losers, BS Danoa is also an 'entertainer'?


You should stay away from giving air warfare advice BS Danoa. Your track record speaks for itself. Anyway...

The PLAAF have no interest to contest the skies deep inside India. Their job is mainly to secure the skies over Chinese territories and over the border region of India. So all that limited loiter time thing is kinda moot. Besides, PLAAF have aerial tankers for those planes that need to stay in the air for longer. And the PLAAF have a large fleet of Flankers for long-ranged CAPs. Maybe BS Danoa is thinking that since the IAF has the 'range advantage' its the IAF jets that could venture deep into China instead? Well those IAF pilots are very much welcomed to enjoy the hospitality of both the Chinese IADS and PLAAF.


An old Soviet theory that still kicks ass. Does India wanna put it to the test? Prove this theory wrong for once? But off course, BS Danoa still thinks that this is 1962 China. Still only using rockets and artillery. Bet he haven't heard about the assortments of Chinese missiles and PLAAF planes in Tibet and Xinjiang that can join the party. Or perhaps he also didn't know the story of the Chinese microwave weapon?


There is already a lot of Indian body bags coming back as of now. And yet India is still determined to continue this foolish, yet deadly game of winter bravado. So yes I agree with you, BS Danoa. That the Chinese society would not accept attrition, but only pointless attrition. The kind of attrition that India is so happily tolerating right now. Wasting lives is not acceptable for China. But apparently its not a problem for India. Go figure.

There is something about the Indian elites mentality. That because Indian troops are more expendable, so they must be braver than Chinese troops. Yes, Chinese troops are not expendable; unlike Indian troops. But it doesn't make them any less brave. There are already too many humiliating videos of PLA troops sending IA troops running for their lives. Must be a hard reality check indeed for India. LOL...


BS Danoa ain't seen nothing yet. Those Chinese drone swarms, and Sharp Sword stealth UCAVs are real indeed. He and the Indian military are really gonna enjoy them.


BS Danoa, I admire your honesty that India cannot (can never) take Tibet. But I must address your twisted Indian logic again. China has no ambitions to take Leh. But India covets Tibet so...so... much. In fact, India is obsessed about taking Tibet. We have never seen any Chinese claim maps with Leh in it. But we have seen too many Indian fanboys claiming Tibet into India. Not only are there cartoonish Indian claim maps claiming Tibet. But there are also a number Indian writers, fanboys, media personalities, maybe even BJP politicians who fantasize India capturing Tibet. If there is any party that would be utterly butthurt in a stalemate, it would most surely be India.


Ah yes another Indian Military idiot. Gp Capt Ravinder Chatwal, you do know that China have AWACS and ground facing radars to monitor IA troop movements? Besides, when flying low, it isn't just the S-400 that IAF jets have to worry about. PLAAF fighters, HQ-17s, HQ-7s, and PLAGF AAA systems can all give the IAF jets a nice welcome party.

Gp Capt Ravinder Chatwal, whoever said Chinese are ten feet tall? I have not heard it from China, that's for sure. Did it came from those Jawans who fled in terror after encountering PLA troops in non-lethal combat? In an attempt to justify their cowardice, maybe those Jawans describe PLA troops as 'monsters'. That they are ten feet tall with claws, fangs, and scary faces? Becareful Captain, you're embarrassing your fellow Jawans to your enemies.

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Like always BS didn’t do his homework and got things backwards. China didn’t have a bomber fleet during the Korean War and PLAAF was restricted to intercepting allied aircraft.

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Bull Shit Danoa is at it again. Hahaha. There is just so much BS in this article, its so fun to pick it apart. LOL...


Indian and Taiwanese 'defence experts' having 'discussions'. Reality: More like a get together chat for losers. One an ex-Air Chief who lost his job after getting the 'mighty' IAF spanked by the 'inferior' PAF. Another, a Chinese (no such nationality as Taiwanese) sellout who is still fantasizing that Mainland China is weaker than Taiwan. Or perhaps a Chinese agent feeding into Indian bloated ego.


Yeah sure, the PLAAF have 'sketchy air battle experience'. The same PLAAF that have chased away Japanese F-15s, Taiwanese F-16s, and have 'said hi' to US planes over the SCS.

Well BS Danoa was in command of the 'most experienced' air force in Asia. Everything was aligned for his IAF to beat the PAF easily. Yet instead, the PAF gave the IAF one of the biggest humiliations of any modern air force in 2019. Clearly BS Danoa is not qualified to speak on matters of air war strategies. That's like a failed football manager becoming a football pundit. Wait... Failed football managers are regularly hired for punditry! So, like those losers, BS Danoa is also an 'entertainer'?


You should stay away from giving air warfare advice BS Danoa. Your track record speaks for itself. Anyway...

The PLAAF have no interest to contest the skies deep inside India. Their job is mainly to secure the skies over Chinese territories and over the border region of India. So all that limited loiter time thing is kinda moot. Besides, PLAAF have aerial tankers for those planes that need to stay in the air for longer. And the PLAAF have a large fleet of Flankers for long-ranged CAPs. Maybe BS Danoa is thinking that since the IAF has the 'range advantage' its the IAF jets that could venture deep into China instead? Well those IAF pilots are very much welcomed to enjoy the hospitality of both the Chinese IADS and PLAAF.


An old Soviet theory that still kicks ass. Does India wanna put it to the test? Prove this theory wrong for once? But off course, BS Danoa still thinks that this is 1962 China. Still only using rockets and artillery. Bet he haven't heard about the assortments of Chinese missiles and PLAAF planes in Tibet and Xinjiang that can join the party. Or perhaps he also didn't know the story of the Chinese microwave weapon?


There is already a lot of Indian body bags coming back as of now. And yet India is still determined to continue this foolish, yet deadly game of winter bravado. So yes I agree with you, BS Danoa. That the Chinese society would not accept attrition, but only pointless attrition. The kind of attrition that India is so happily tolerating right now. Wasting lives is not acceptable for China. But apparently its not a problem for India. Go figure.

There is something about the Indian elites mentality. That because Indian troops are more expendable, so they must be braver than Chinese troops. Yes, Chinese troops are not expendable; unlike Indian troops. But it doesn't make them any less brave. There are already too many humiliating videos of PLA troops sending IA troops running for their lives. Must be a hard reality check indeed for India. LOL...


BS Danoa ain't seen nothing yet. Those Chinese drone swarms, and Sharp Sword stealth UCAVs are real indeed. He and the Indian military are really gonna enjoy them.


BS Danoa, I admire your honesty that India cannot (can never) take Tibet. But I must address your twisted Indian logic again. China has no ambitions to take Leh. But India covets Tibet so...so... much. In fact, India is obsessed about taking Tibet. We have never seen any Chinese claim maps with Leh in it. But we have seen too many Indian fanboys claiming Tibet into India. Not only are there cartoonish Indian claim maps claiming Tibet. But there are also a number Indian writers, fanboys, media personalities, even BJP politicians who fantasize India capturing Tibet. If there is any party that would be utterly butthurt in a stalemate, it would most surely be India.


Ah yes another Indian Military idiot. Gp Capt Ravinder Chatwal, you do know that China have AWACS and ground facing radars to monitor IA troop movements? Besides, when flying low, it isn't just the S-400 that IAF jets have to worry about. PLAAF fighters, HQ-17s, HQ-7s, and PLAGF AAA systems can all give the IAF jets a nice welcome party.

Gp Capt Ravinder Chatwal, whoever said Chinese are ten feet tall? I have not heard it from China, that's for sure. Did it came from those Jawans who fled in terror after encountering PLA troops in non-lethal combat? In an attempt to justify their cowardice, maybe those Jawans describe PLA troops as 'monsters'. That they are ten feet tall with claws, fangs, and scary faces? Becareful Captain, you're embarrassing your fellow Jawans to your enemies. LOL...

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Because contrary to what lies the West peddles, China is a peaceful country

If they want to be test dummies for Chinese weapons then they can go ahead and start more shit.

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Bull Shit Danoa is at it again. Hahaha. There is just so much BS in this article, its so fun to pick it apart. LOL...


Indian and Taiwanese 'defence experts' having 'discussions'. Reality: More like a get together chat for losers. One an ex-Air Chief who lost his job after getting the 'mighty' IAF spanked by the 'inferior' PAF. Another, a Chinese (no such nationality as Taiwanese) sellout who is still fantasizing that Mainland China is weaker than Taiwan. Or perhaps a Chinese agent feeding into Indian bloated ego.


Yeah sure, the PLAAF have 'sketchy air battle experience'. The same PLAAF that have chased away Japanese F-15s, Taiwanese F-16s, and have 'said hi' to US planes over the SCS.

Well BS Danoa was in command of the 'most experienced' air force in Asia. Everything was aligned for his IAF to beat the PAF easily. Yet instead, the PAF gave the IAF one of the biggest humiliations of any modern air force in 2019. Clearly BS Danoa is not qualified to speak on matters of air war strategies. That's like a failed football manager becoming a football pundit. Wait... Failed football managers are regularly hired for punditry! So, like those losers, BS Danoa is also an 'entertainer'?


You should stay away from giving air warfare advice BS Danoa. Your track record speaks for itself. Anyway...

The PLAAF have no interest to contest the skies deep inside India. Their job is mainly to secure the skies over Chinese territories and over the border region of India. So all that limited loiter time thing is kinda moot. Besides, PLAAF have aerial tankers for those planes that need to stay in the air for longer. And the PLAAF have a large fleet of Flankers for long-ranged CAPs. Maybe BS Danoa is thinking that since the IAF has the 'range advantage' its the IAF jets that could venture deep into China instead? Well those IAF pilots are very much welcomed to enjoy the hospitality of both the Chinese IADS and PLAAF.


An old Soviet theory that still kicks ass. Does India wanna put it to the test? Prove this theory wrong for once? But off course, BS Danoa still thinks that this is 1962 China. Still only using rockets and artillery. Bet he haven't heard about the assortments of Chinese missiles and PLAAF planes in Tibet and Xinjiang that can join the party. Or perhaps he also didn't know the story of the Chinese microwave weapon?


There is already a lot of Indian body bags coming back as of now. And yet India is still determined to continue this foolish, yet deadly game of winter bravado. So yes I agree with you, BS Danoa. That the Chinese society would not accept attrition, but only pointless attrition. The kind of attrition that India is so happily tolerating right now. Wasting lives is not acceptable for China. But apparently its not a problem for India. Go figure.

There is something about the Indian elites mentality. That because Indian troops are more expendable, so they must be braver than Chinese troops. Yes, Chinese troops are not expendable; unlike Indian troops. But it doesn't make them any less brave. There are already too many humiliating videos of PLA troops sending IA troops running for their lives. Must be a hard reality check indeed for India. LOL...


BS Danoa ain't seen nothing yet. Those Chinese drone swarms, and Sharp Sword stealth UCAVs are real indeed. He and the Indian military are really gonna enjoy them.


BS Danoa, I admire your honesty that India cannot (can never) take Tibet. But I must address your twisted Indian logic again. China has no ambitions to take Leh. But India covets Tibet so...so... much. In fact, India is obsessed about taking Tibet. We have never seen any Chinese claim maps with Leh in it. But we have seen too many Indian fanboys claiming Tibet into India. Not only are there cartoonish Indian claim maps claiming Tibet. But there are also a number Indian writers, fanboys, media personalities, even BJP politicians who fantasize India capturing Tibet. If there is any party that would be utterly butthurt in a stalemate, it would most surely be India.


Ah yes another Indian Military idiot. Gp Capt Ravinder Chatwal, you do know that China have AWACS and ground facing radars to monitor IA troop movements? Besides, when flying low, it isn't just the S-400 that IAF jets have to worry about. PLAAF fighters, HQ-17s, HQ-7s, and PLAGF AAA systems can all give the IAF jets a nice welcome party.

Gp Capt Ravinder Chatwal, whoever said Chinese are ten feet tall? I have not heard it from China, that's for sure. Did it came from those Jawans who fled in terror after encountering PLA troops in non-lethal combat? In an attempt to justify their cowardice, maybe those Jawans describe PLA troops as 'monsters'. That they are ten feet tall with claws, fangs, and scary faces? Becareful Captain, you're embarrassing your fellow Jawans to your enemies. LOL...

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I wont even compare IAF with PLAAF

India may have all the equipment in the world but the facts are clear,

1. IAF got schooled by PAF, resulting in a captured pilot.
2. A rattled IAF shot down its own chopper killing everyone on board.

IAF is a joke in the eyes of any neutral observer.

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Bull Shit Danoa is at it again. Hahaha. There is just so much BS in this article, its so fun to pick it apart. LOL...


Indian and Taiwanese 'defence experts' having 'discussions'. Reality: More like a get together chat for losers. One an ex-Air Chief who lost his job after getting the 'mighty' IAF spanked by the 'inferior' PAF. Another, a Chinese (no such nationality as Taiwanese) sellout who is still fantasizing that Mainland China is weaker than Taiwan. Or perhaps a Chinese agent feeding into Indian bloated ego.


Yeah sure, the PLAAF have 'sketchy air battle experience'. The same PLAAF that have chased away Japanese F-15s, Taiwanese F-16s, and have 'said hi' to US planes over the SCS.

Well BS Danoa was in command of the 'most experienced' air force in Asia. Everything was aligned for his IAF to beat the PAF easily. Yet instead, the PAF gave the IAF one of the biggest humiliations of any modern air force in 2019. Clearly BS Danoa is not qualified to speak on matters of air war strategies. That's like a failed football manager becoming a football pundit. Wait... Failed football managers are regularly hired for punditry! So, like those losers, BS Danoa is also an 'entertainer'?


You should stay away from giving air warfare advice BS Danoa. Your track record speaks for itself. Anyway...

The PLAAF have no interest to contest the skies deep inside India. Their job is mainly to secure the skies over Chinese territories and over the border region of India. So all that limited loiter time thing is kinda moot. Besides, PLAAF have aerial tankers for those planes that need to stay in the air for longer. And the PLAAF have a large fleet of Flankers for long-ranged CAPs. Maybe BS Danoa is thinking that since the IAF has the 'range advantage' its the IAF jets that could venture deep into China instead? Well those IAF pilots are very much welcomed to enjoy the hospitality of both the Chinese IADS and PLAAF.


An old Soviet theory that still kicks ass. Does India wanna put it to the test? Prove this theory wrong for once? But off course, BS Danoa still thinks that this is 1962 China. Still only using rockets and artillery. Bet he haven't heard about the assortments of Chinese missiles and PLAAF planes in Tibet and Xinjiang that can join the party. Or perhaps he also didn't know the story of the Chinese microwave weapon?


There is already a lot of Indian body bags coming back as of now. And yet India is still determined to continue this foolish, yet deadly game of winter bravado. So yes I agree with you, BS Danoa. That the Chinese society would not accept attrition, but only pointless attrition. The kind of attrition that India is so happily tolerating right now. Wasting lives is not acceptable for China. But apparently its not a problem for India. Go figure.

There is something about the Indian elites mentality. That because Indian troops are more expendable, so they must be braver than Chinese troops. Yes, Chinese troops are not expendable; unlike Indian troops. But it doesn't make them any less brave. There are already too many humiliating videos of PLA troops sending IA troops running for their lives. Must be a hard reality check indeed for India. LOL...


BS Danoa ain't seen nothing yet. Those Chinese drone swarms, and Sharp Sword stealth UCAVs are real indeed. He and the Indian military are really gonna enjoy them.


BS Danoa, I admire your honesty that India cannot (can never) take Tibet. But I must address your twisted Indian logic again. China has no ambitions to take Leh. But India covets Tibet so...so... much. In fact, India is obsessed about taking Tibet. We have never seen any Chinese claim maps with Leh in it. But we have seen too many Indian fanboys claiming Tibet into India. Not only are there cartoonish Indian claim maps claiming Tibet. But there are also a number Indian writers, fanboys, media personalities, even BJP politicians who fantasize India capturing Tibet. If there is any party that would be utterly butthurt in a stalemate, it would most surely be India.


Ah yes another Indian Military idiot. Gp Capt Ravinder Chatwal, you do know that China have AWACS and ground facing radars to monitor IA troop movements? Besides, when flying low, it isn't just the S-400 that IAF jets have to worry about. PLAAF fighters, HQ-17s, HQ-7s, and PLAGF AAA systems can all give the IAF jets a nice welcome party.

Gp Capt Ravinder Chatwal, whoever said Chinese are ten feet tall? I have not heard it from China, that's for sure. Did it came from those Jawans who fled in terror after encountering PLA troops in non-lethal combat? In an attempt to justify their cowardice, maybe those Jawans describe PLA troops as 'monsters'. That they are ten feet tall with claws, fangs, and scary faces? Becareful Captain, you're embarrassing your fellow Jawans to your enemies. LOL...

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This discussion between retired air marshals, officers and ‘expert’ is just brilliant... they are talking as if India has the advantage in technology akin to the UN had against China in Korean War, where China could hardly field a credible challenge in the air against the UN forces, where equipment and supplies couldn’t be compared and still able fight to a stalemate despite all the disadvantages.

Rocket and artillery, from soviet doctrine or not, would be stationed at the high ground, not just any high ground... high ground of thousands of meters above sea level firing down to sea level, for the Sikkim and eastern areas... any forces from the India wouldn’t even see it coming before being blown to bits...

The whole argument regarding casualties and body bags only reinforces the fact that Indian soldiers lives don’t matter to the Indian military/society.

Drone will not have a role apart from ISR? Perhaps that would be true for India whose UCAV is either under-development or consists of a fleet of 2 leased UCAVs, and we still don’t know if the weapons are available with the lease. These ‘experts’ realise that China unlike India actually have an existing combat tested and ready drone fleet with capabilities matching or exceeding their 2 leased UCAVs... right?

Air defences for China only comprises of S400? Considering, when it comes to cruise missiles India can pretty much only name the Brahmos, I am not surprised that India would consider their adversary to be just like them, a one trick pony. Further the Indian fighter force consists basically of only obsolete fighters or Flankers or very few, more modern aircrafts, I question whether the S400 systems even needs to be deployed...

Very good entertainment from the Indians as always... perhaps these experts should try for a career as writers in Bollywood or Hollywood where reality doesn’t matter

Guess boats won’t be of much use in the next few months.