One question. Is this one of those "disputed" territory?
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Whenever there is something that makes India look even remotely good/competent/superior etc, the Indian from the gov to media to bhakts brag about it to kingdom come. They even make this stuff up when there is no material e.g. IA killed xyz PLA (debunked), India will reach 10 trillion USD economy, China has retreated totally, India has captured Reqin,"by next Deepavali (2020) we patriots would have overtaken China" ... and so on ad infinitum. All either total BS from Indian fake news factories or random bhakts with wetdreams and propagated by their pathetically manipulative media.
So in the case of hilltops south of the lake, if India truly has made even 100m ingress into China with stable camps that PLA cannot challenge, they would have bragged about it to kingdom come. They bragged about 20 IA mobsters beating on a PLA liaison officer who got out of his vehicle to talk. The PLA man got out willingly to talk but the Indians claim they dragged him out lol but the other occupants of the vehicle somehow were spared.
It's the Indian side that dresses up incidents and make the fake news, Chinese propagandists just release clips out of context and release maps out of context. Sure they're also pretty crappy as well but nowhere has the Chinese propagandists released such blatantly fake stuff like the Indians have (we've counted now about a dozen high profile bold faced and debunked lies from Jai Hindia).
So yes that clip is definitely before the snows and who knows what hill. Who cares though? It just goes to show both sides are not using lethal force and it's all just a shoving match whenever there is intrusion->confrontation->expulsion/movements. Intrusions are shortlived and relatively rare after September. India doesn't seem to want to do anything about the Galwan side of matters where China has unilaterally settled the border dispute. If India continues to think they can intrude to annoy China south of lake or intrude to capture and then bargain, they have so far been proven wrong.
The IA has since September, failed to capture any Chinese territory to bargain with like some of their military leaders have hinted at back before August. This may change if they decide to actually commit to a successful outcome since they do have numerical superiority in this region but they are also aware of escalation risks and they have proven they will not tolerate a shooting war because that ball has been on their court since May.
So in the case of hilltops south of the lake, if India truly has made even 100m ingress into China with stable camps that PLA cannot challenge, they would have bragged about it to kingdom come. They bragged about 20 IA mobsters beating on a PLA liaison officer who got out of his vehicle to talk. The PLA man got out willingly to talk but the Indians claim they dragged him out lol but the other occupants of the vehicle somehow were spared.
It's the Indian side that dresses up incidents and make the fake news, Chinese propagandists just release clips out of context and release maps out of context. Sure they're also pretty crappy as well but nowhere has the Chinese propagandists released such blatantly fake stuff like the Indians have (we've counted now about a dozen high profile bold faced and debunked lies from Jai Hindia).
So yes that clip is definitely before the snows and who knows what hill. Who cares though? It just goes to show both sides are not using lethal force and it's all just a shoving match whenever there is intrusion->confrontation->expulsion/movements. Intrusions are shortlived and relatively rare after September. India doesn't seem to want to do anything about the Galwan side of matters where China has unilaterally settled the border dispute. If India continues to think they can intrude to annoy China south of lake or intrude to capture and then bargain, they have so far been proven wrong.
The IA has since September, failed to capture any Chinese territory to bargain with like some of their military leaders have hinted at back before August. This may change if they decide to actually commit to a successful outcome since they do have numerical superiority in this region but they are also aware of escalation risks and they have proven they will not tolerate a shooting war because that ball has been on their court since May.
Not according to Kakyan. He thinks it is deep within Chinese territory.
Who knows? It's definitely a site of confrontation and video from before winter. I don't like China using equally false and bad suggestions like those Chinese twitter propagandists are doing. It's not too different from the Indians albeit at a far smaller scale and at least they don't come out with some hopefully high profile bullshit lies like the Indian factory has come out with over the months. But it angers the bhakts and that could be part of the assignment. I don't see how it benefits China playing with Indian calibre bullshit stories. The suggestion is about PLA overcoming Indian intrusion which is somewhat true a few months ago around Regin and other parts south of the lake. I suppose they use non-sensitive material to broadcast the updates.
Anyway if India has captured Chinese territory without challenge and without being expelled quickly, they would have made gigatonnes of print already like they have with other material that makes them look good/China look bad. But they haven't made that claim. The Indians also haven't officially (gov/military) indicated any capturing of Chinese land or achieving any objectives that is valuable in resolving the issue to their advantage. They haven't suggested they'd be swapping or going into more negotiations with greater positions. Nada.
It's actually a good thing that not much is happening on this now. Indian bhakts will still desperately look for ego soothers and invent them whenever they can't do mental gymnastics to convince themselves of some superficial "victories".
Those hill tops just northeast of the Indian version of LAC is definitely recognised by China as on Chinese side and since they appear on Indian maps on the Chinese side of the LAC, I could only imagine the Indians have always considered those parts China as well. Unless those new maps and random drawings are misleading and made by those typical ego soothers.
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Does one of China’s most famous literary characters have a long lost relative in the form of our beloved @Kakyan?
To be fair to Kakyan, he is much more respectful and less biased than so many posters in other forums. Those that encourage or do nothing about wild stupidity. It's certainly less hawkish here but we've still got a lot of bias and offensive joke making. I have partaken too 
He's only said the full video (3 mins or so) would be very humiliating for PLA which is why it's edited. But cannot prove that or even show that is potentially true. Indian side has managed to release zero videos that show advantage India except 20 guys beating up one liaison officer unfortunate enough to have trusted the mob. Then again the Indians consider him and his fellow PLA as invaders so their behaviour is somewhat understandable. It's just nothing to celebrate.
All the videos released by Chinese propagandists in the last few months show some clips of shoving matches and nothing more. It's certainly for domestic propaganda but India's doing the same to a more offensive extreme and faking it all while they're at it e.g. Taiwan shoots down PLAAF Su-35... to only be embarrassed and told off by Taiwan government itself.
I think CCP is sort of responding to that stuff but much tamer and using actual footage. Chinese forums have leaked images and short clips of much more embarrassing stuff for the Indians. They're out there and not just the tied up Jawans, the lethal clash back in June or the potentially misrepresented winter issues being experienced by the Indians.
The war has been downgraded to a shoving match and a war of words. The latter is boring and unnecessary but it's what India started and persists on doing so I guess China will need to some domestic reassurance too just in case people get angry at the CCP for not absolutely bludgeoning the Indians. The CCP is the one holding back lol I bet hawkish Chinese citizens and chauvinists think the CCP isn't doing enough to punish Indian intrusions which certainly have happened and may continue to happen. That's the core issue now. China would want to avoid a situation where IA intrusions happen all the time and drags on for decades. Both decided not to make this thing hot. At least India's tacitly conceded Galwan and northern Pangong fingers.
He's only said the full video (3 mins or so) would be very humiliating for PLA which is why it's edited. But cannot prove that or even show that is potentially true. Indian side has managed to release zero videos that show advantage India except 20 guys beating up one liaison officer unfortunate enough to have trusted the mob. Then again the Indians consider him and his fellow PLA as invaders so their behaviour is somewhat understandable. It's just nothing to celebrate.All the videos released by Chinese propagandists in the last few months show some clips of shoving matches and nothing more. It's certainly for domestic propaganda but India's doing the same to a more offensive extreme and faking it all while they're at it e.g. Taiwan shoots down PLAAF Su-35... to only be embarrassed and told off by Taiwan government itself.
I think CCP is sort of responding to that stuff but much tamer and using actual footage. Chinese forums have leaked images and short clips of much more embarrassing stuff for the Indians. They're out there and not just the tied up Jawans, the lethal clash back in June or the potentially misrepresented winter issues being experienced by the Indians.
The war has been downgraded to a shoving match and a war of words. The latter is boring and unnecessary but it's what India started and persists on doing so I guess China will need to some domestic reassurance too just in case people get angry at the CCP for not absolutely bludgeoning the Indians. The CCP is the one holding back lol I bet hawkish Chinese citizens and chauvinists think the CCP isn't doing enough to punish Indian intrusions which certainly have happened and may continue to happen. That's the core issue now. China would want to avoid a situation where IA intrusions happen all the time and drags on for decades. Both decided not to make this thing hot. At least India's tacitly conceded Galwan and northern Pangong fingers.
To be fair to Kakyan, he is much more respectful and less biased than so many posters in other forums. Those that encourage or do nothing about wild stupidity. It's certainly less hawkish here but we've still got a lot of bias and offensive joke making. I have partaken too
All the videos released by Chinese propagandists in the last few months show some clips of shoving matches and nothing more. It's certainly for domestic propaganda but India's doing the same to a more offensive extreme and faking it all while they're at it e.g. Taiwan shoots down PLAAF Su-35... to only be embarrassed and told off by Taiwan government itself.
I think CCP is sort of responding to that stuff but much tamer and using actual footage. Chinese forums have leaked images and short clips of much more embarrassing stuff for the Indians. They're out there and not just the tied up Jawans, the lethal clash back in June or the potentially misrepresented winter issues being experienced by the Indians.
The war has been downgraded to a shoving match and a war of words. The latter is boring and unnecessary but it's what India started and persists on doing so I guess China will need to some domestic reassurance too just in case people get angry at the CCP for not absolutely bludgeoning the Indians. The CCP is the one holding back lol I bet hawkish Chinese citizens and chauvinists think the CCP isn't doing enough to punish Indian intrusions which certainly have happened and may continue to happen. That's the core issue now. China would want to avoid a situation where IA intrusions happen all the time and drags on for decades. Both decided not to make this thing hot. At least India's tacitly conceded Galwan and northern Pangong fingers.
Yes to @Kakyan’s credit at least he hasn’t started boasting about his man parts in this thread, which is more than I could say for another Bakht here.
This video from August is living proof of Indian Army's strategy since July to carry out clashes on areas located inside Chinese side of LAC so as to force PLA to go on defensive and worry about safeguarding their side instead of intruding into India.
Which is why China has a failed to carry out a single new intrusion since July.
Meanwhile Indian troops are still encamped on Rechin La which is located on Chinese side as per Chinese own version of LAC
Anyways PLA does not have courage to show full footage which is why they showed only the first 20 seconds instead of the whole 3 minutes
Which is why China has a failed to carry out a single new intrusion since July.
Meanwhile Indian troops are still encamped on Rechin La which is located on Chinese side as per Chinese own version of LAC
Anyways PLA does not have courage to show full footage which is why they showed only the first 20 seconds instead of the whole 3 minutes
Couple of problems with all this.
1. showing 20 seconds of a 3 mins clip isn't necessarily hiding something. There is nothing to hide? What do you think is in those 2 mins and 40 seconds remaining footage? And further, have you any good reason to suspect what you think is hidden? It seems far more likely that 3 mins is more of less the same but just preparatory stuff with soldiers slowly making their way up. The selected 20 seconds in the core gist. There is no hidden Hindu anti-gravity spaceship in those strips. There is also no IA victory at the end or something. If there was, why doesn't IA release footage since they would have captured the hilltop?
2. We have no footage, satellite photos, or any material to suggest IA has captured any Chinese territory and settled in. If there was, IA and Indian media would have released plenty of visual material showing IA camps within Chinese territory. Instead all that happened and continues to happen is short lived IA intrusions into China's side. This is the first part of your post and it is accurate. Although I wouldn't suggest China has failed to carry out a single new intrusion since July. Errhm China has unilaterally settled the dispute. PLA moving any further into what both sides consider to be India would be a truly wrong act by China. The disputed territory is either sides game.
So while your first paragraph is generally accurate, the whole spiel about China not invading further is pretty off and you know it is. The PLA's objectives from Pangong lake (north side) finger 4 to Galwan valley pp13/14 has been achieved. There is a small buffer region offered and you are correct in observing that India has used regions (Reqin) south of the lake in attempts to capture what China certainly at least considers part of its territory and "newer" Indian maps show as Chinese territory as well. However, there is absolutely zero concrete evidence that India has managed to effectively capture any of this territory beyond the foot of some hills right on this LAC border.
Sure India has troops right up to those hill tops on China's side on the south. They are meters within Chinese side and the Indians do not hold those hill tops. I don't think this is anywhere close to equal to the finger 8 to finger 4 and corresponding northern points at Galwan valley which the PLA have settled. Therefore unless IA capture at least a few kilometers into Chinese territory in the southern region, I doubt there will be anything worth negotiating. Right now India sits meters within Chinese side and have failed to capture those hill tops which are themselves relatively close to the recognised border.
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