Looks like somebody sabotaged the withdraw process. Somebody wants the conflict to drag on and intentionally started a fight.
Ladakh Flash Point
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Thinking about it logically, this must have been instigated by the Indian side (or specifically the colonel who was killed). Remember the video shown a few weeks back, where an Indian officer had to stand over the wounded Chinese soldier to prevent him from being killed. Well, if the commanding officer of an entire battalion is advocating for violent confrontation, then who's there to prevent mortal harm? Was that colonel literally leading and fighting from the front?
We should always have in mind that India is deeply jealous and resentful of China for historical reasons. Both countries took their modern forms at roughly the same time, India gained independence from Britain in 1947, and the Chinese Civil War ended with the foundation of the PRC in 1949. India chose to retain its ties to the British and patterned its new republic after Britain's parliamentary system. China joined the Communist camp and patterned its system after the Soviet Union. Both countries started off from the same point: zero.
In the decades since, the two countries' power, prosperity, and international standing have radically diverged. China's GDP is five times greater than India's; China has managed to lift hundreds of millions of people out of poverty and will eliminate extreme poverty from China this year, while India is at best treading water; China is far more technologically advanced and has taken the global lead in the crucial technology of 5G; the disparity in international clout and military power is obvious to anyone outside the delusional Indian media bubble.
All this has India seething. In its mind, it did everything right: it Westernized, it copied the British system of government, it should be the one to have the scales tip in its favour. This translates into the hatred of China that you see. That's the background.
Given this deep-seated feeling of spiteful envy and inadequacy in India, it's only a question of when a situation like this would happen. This particular situation has its proximate cause in India's sneaky opportunism and misreading of China's position of geopolitical strength. India believed its own and Western media hype that China was smashed by COVID-19 was stressed to the breaking point by American pressure and thought it could grab some territory. It thought wrong, and China is showing it the error of its ways.
Will India learn from anything it should from this? Press 'X' to doubt.
In the decades since, the two countries' power, prosperity, and international standing have radically diverged. China's GDP is five times greater than India's; China has managed to lift hundreds of millions of people out of poverty and will eliminate extreme poverty from China this year, while India is at best treading water; China is far more technologically advanced and has taken the global lead in the crucial technology of 5G; the disparity in international clout and military power is obvious to anyone outside the delusional Indian media bubble.
All this has India seething. In its mind, it did everything right: it Westernized, it copied the British system of government, it should be the one to have the scales tip in its favour. This translates into the hatred of China that you see. That's the background.
Given this deep-seated feeling of spiteful envy and inadequacy in India, it's only a question of when a situation like this would happen. This particular situation has its proximate cause in India's sneaky opportunism and misreading of China's position of geopolitical strength. India believed its own and Western media hype that China was smashed by COVID-19 was stressed to the breaking point by American pressure and thought it could grab some territory. It thought wrong, and China is showing it the error of its ways.
Will India learn from anything it should from this? Press 'X' to doubt.
No, it isn't. India isn't a peer of China's; the trouble you're in comes from thinking that you are.
What utter nonsense. Are you suggesting PLA soldiers not lift a finger to defend themselves if attacked?
Both sides generally do not issue firearms to troops patrolling the disputed boarder regions because both sides consider that their own territory and the soldiers from the other side trespassers and try to get the other side to withdraw. Normally this is through words and banners or just physically blocking the way of the other side. But that can easily escalate into physical clashes if one side is determined to get to a specific point beyond the line drawn by the other, or if one side found the other further into disputed territory than they are prepared to allow and wants to push them back. It’s just the nature of the dispute that makes physical clashes all but inevitable, and has nothing to do with discipline. As the saying goes, it’s a feature, not a bug.
The deaths are unusual, but hardly outside the realm of possibility when trained fighters clash. Even in highly controlled environments like boxing rings, fighters still die from time to time, never mind bare knuckles fighting with clubs, rocks and other weapons being used frequently.
Pity and pretext for escalation are pretty much meaningless. The only thing that really matters is raw military fight.
That is why India will not escalate, they simply don’t have the military might to challenge China and everyone knows that.
That is why it is a case of play stupid games and win stupid prizes for India to escalate tensions with China in the boarder. China has escalation advantage at pretty much every level.
Can you not see the problem with this? Eventually these fist fights flare up to causing serious diplomatic troubles. China will be continuing to feed the west their much desired ammunition for building the narrative that China is always forever the instigator as opposed to simply defending their claims and sometimes responding to violence with a similar lethality. This doesn't protect PLA troops or help build its case or develop its claim. What's so hard to get.
To allow matters to evolve like this signals either Indian provocation on a fist fight level and/or PLA and CCP commanders unwillingness to make the point clearer. As if that hasn't been enough since 1970s. Okay sure let's suppose PLA is stationed in a disputed area and India has no willingness for a real war and so to make their point, they aggravate and provoke PLA at any opportunity WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING in this situation. Put yourself in their shoes. Does the CCP expect to just continue having some brawls every few times these groups meet? Or does it have a plan to actually resolve this. It needs to escalate it and demonstrate willingness to take it further. Or it needs to do whatever it can under the table and shift Indian thoughts into either giving in or doing the escalating themselves, giving China reason to respond to not just these sorts of aggravations but a professional military firing actual shots.
Some sources claiming they fell over into a chasm or river during scuffles. So many different sources with different claims. I've also seen claims where there are dozens of Indian casualties and three deaths and some suggesting this is a part of the confrontation a few weeks ago where the photo of PLA troops tying up IA soldiers were from. Lot's of noise, very little truth.
There are rumors of Chinese casualties as well as additional 50 or so Indian soldiers MIA. Anyone has more sourced info on this? If true then I suspect firearms were used.
Of course it must have been India lmao! . India wasn't conducting any military exercise on TAR and moved troops from there to ladakh which lead us to this.
Come back down to Earth. India couldn't even escalate against Pakistan (a much smaller power) after we bombed it and shot down its Mig last year. So how are you claiming its going to escalate against China, a MUCH bigger power? Why don't you wait a week for the proof that your military will do nothing. You're just setting yourself up for embarrassment by talking tough right now.
You are exhibiting the root of all the erratic and insecure Hindu Nationalism today. You still haven't come to terms with the fact that Muslim rule was more prosperous for India than Hindu rule today. And remember, Muslims were ruling India well before the Mughals came. This is also why the bakhts want to tear down the Taj Mahal, which is still the most beautiful thing in India (in the year 2020.) It is a constant reminder that India's best days were under Muslim rule.
I disagree. Back in 1962, China was arguably in even worse shape in every domain than India was. That didn't prevent Nehru from concocting the forward policy.
no firearms were used according to my sources. not by Indians at least. They were carrying guns but without magazines. can't say about PLA though.
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