As I've said, it's piggybacking, not actively trying to ferment revolution. The transformation is already in progress as caste politics is becoming more pronounced in India. What this means is that China, at least in the short-term, is better off buying an insurance policy with these "certain groups" so that when it happens, China has already been an early adopter and has a better position to negotiate with non-FC Indian politicians.
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As I've said, it's piggybacking, not actively trying to ferment revolution. The transformation is already in progress as caste politics is becoming more pronounced in India. What this means is that China, at least in the short-term, is better off buying an insurance policy with these "certain groups" so that when it happens, China has already been an early adopter and has a better position to negotiate with non-FC Indian politicians.
You should tell that to the Chinese. They obviously do not feel the need to do so at the monent.As I've said, it's piggybacking, not actively trying to ferment revolution. The transformation is already in progress as caste politics is becoming more pronounced in India. What this means is that China, at least in the short-term, is better off buying an insurance policy with these "certain groups" so that when it happens, China has already been an early adopter and has a better position to negotiate with non-FC Indian politicians.
An interesting tidbit:
Though faded there is bold graffiti on the walls of rural homes in eastern India scrawled by the CPI ( ML) and MCC cadres:
" Amaar Chairman Chairman Mao"
( Chairman Mao is our Chairman)
The MCC and Lal Sena Cadres still give the old fashioned clenched fist salute, with the cry;
" Bolen Shakha, Lal Salam"
( Cry out comrades, Red Salute)
Indian has tremendous regional disparities and is divided into myriad Jati. The Maoists are a dead-end because they can't get beyond their home region, and they'd be better off if they tried to integrate with the Indian political order.
It's heartwarming to see the Maoist elements in India, but China itself is renouncing Mao, not simply through Dengism, but also through Xi-ism, and Chinese Maoists get only a slightly better reception in China than in India (they're not 'countered, they're dragged off to prison). The groups that are worth investing in aren't the Maoist elements but rather caste politicians from Shudra groups.
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I think the strategic role of Indian Maoists has been to provide cover for Nepalese Maoists, who contested a far smaller region and won power in Nepal through electoral means. At some point, the defend and attack roles should be switched with Nepalese Maoists providing political support for Indian Maoists to go "legit" and stop getting encountered every couple of weeks.
The war for Indian Maoism has already been fought, and the Maoists lost. Their dilemma is how to move forward.
You should tell that to the Chinese. They obviously do not feel the need to do so at the monent.
Arguing on the basis of "what is" as opposed to "what should be done" is pretty pointless, isn't it? China has an anti-Indian bias in that it does not see India as having strategic potential (except for some Chinese Indologists). What I and others have been trying to explain is that India does have strategic potential, but that it will be extremely difficult to unlock it, and that China can piggyback and exploit the process of unlocking this strategic potential.
A rational educated, prosperous and secular India is good for every one, most of all for the Indian people themselves. The paranoid behavior of the regime in India is luckily focused only on the Muslim community in India. The entire energy of the regime is being expended on the degradation, and desired expulsion of its Muslim community, however ambitious the goal. It is likely however that a fresh diversion will be necessary once the "goals" regarding the minority communities have been achieved. The diversion is very likely going to be a brief war with Pakistan and a secondary far more limited war with China. This will primarily be to cater to nationalist sentiments and media frenzy.The question is, what is in it for the Chinese? They are too busy with their own ascend.
Conflict with Pakistan is on going, but a war like it happened in the last couple times will not happen. Unlike the last couple of Indo Pak wars, it is in the Chinese interest to keep what is left of Kashmir with Pakistan as the Belts and Roads initiative depends on it. Today, the two arm forces are working much tighter together than ever before. A war with Pakistan, if initiated by India, will see India badly mauled by the two arm forces. Heck, even America does not want to see Pakistan on the losing side and will covertly help Pakistan in this equation. A war with China is out of the question. I just don't see the Indian arm forces really having the guts or the means to initiate one.is very likely going to be a brief war with Pakistan and a secondary far more limited war with China
Can you elaborate on what caste advantage the Brahmins have over the other upper castes in 2020? Do they get better food? better school simply due to their caste?
At the risk of a reprimand by the moderators I will answer your question.Thanks for that information. What other advantages do you see? BTW, is this from all castes? It is difficult for me to see Dalits feeding Brahmins due to the idea of purity and contamination by touch.
Yes, technically this rule of feeding Brahmins is for all castes, and obviously for those who can afford it.
You are correct that Dalits cannot physically serve Brahmin priests but times have changed a little. In some parts of India under left wing influence Dalits have learned the scriptures and can perform most of the funeral rites themselves. So they do not need Brahmins either for the funeral or to be fed.
What is more due to the modest effects of affirmative action a "creamy layer" of Dalits are sufficiently wealthy enough to hire Brahmin cooks, and serving staff even if they don't touch the plates and utensils themselves.
There is a fierce push back against Brahmin domination of the temples, and the cremation grounds with politically motivated Dalits asserting their rights to full access and entry into temples. In some places they are successful in most places they are not.
Some atheist and non-religious Dalits would rather not feed Brahmins and save the money.
In most upper class and upper caste families the death of near relative requires specific rites including the ritual shaving of the head. Feeding Brahmins is a conclusion of the mourning period.
The Indian Constitution is not Anti Brahmin at all. In fact the first copy of the Constitution had a picture of the Lord Rama on it.Since anti-Brahmanism is enshrined in the Indian constitution, we've moved from endless "India vs China" bitching contests to criticisms that Indian posters (barring Brahmins denying their caste privileges).
If anything the Constitution ( Directive Principles) is "anti" a few communities for their consumption of a particular type of meat.
The only state which has a few "anti-Brahmin" laws ( though even
that is questionable ) is Tamil Nadu.
India's Constitution and the Brahmins who live there is their business.
So we should let it rest at that.
this forum is epicenter of hypocrisy. Coming from mouths of wannabe revolutionary Han and paki's Muslim chauvinist sitting in capitalist US , it's funny to hear the BS.
I would just say this here that cast system is not unique to india. It's a ethnicity marker to be precise. India is not a homogeneous country in first place it never was in it's history. More like a poor version of Europe. a northern like me has nothing in common with Southerner 2000km south except religion , even if we are of same caste. Food is different, ethnicity is different , language is different even culture is different. Even among regions there is difference among people. This is not the case with Han dominated china or other homogeneous society we see in east. If there are no differences , there won't be any nation states in first place. no china ,no Russia , no Zimbabwe ,no USA etc. It will all be open borders and land of fairy tails.
problem with cast is discrimination for that there is reservation. But politicians have made it a vote bank , since job are few and reservation put even qualified people at a disadvantage , using it to create trouble. instead of providing some basic income , social security net or job program for masses.
govt need to do more for upliftment of disadvantageous groups sure because they do face problem and that's a fact. but there is a limit to everything how far you want to push , cause there is usually a blowback.
as for discussion here, i don't take much of it seriously. It's a funny china stonk forum after all.
This place is very nationalist, true, and I have my problems with the fact that if you criticize any Chinese systems or capabilities people will end up shouting you down.
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That said, do you disagree with the fundamental fact that FC comprise a small minority of the Indian population, Hindu or otherwise? And that if India is simply for the FCs, India will never be able to 1. evince its strategic power 2. even dream of competing with China?
If the Indian social structure is a minority of Westernized Indians / Hindu analogue to ultra-religious Muslim engineers with an endless subjugation of undereducated and undernourished OBCs / SCs / STs / Muslims, then India is a joke, and if it remains that way, it's always going to be a joke.
The Chinese are always going to be laughing at India or treating India as a ridiculous country with too many people shoveling shit if this continues.
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And if you talk about "everyone having a caste system", no, not everyone has a caste system. You have social democracies in Europe with high social equality. The United States might be closest to having a caste system, with the use of immigrants to support human capital needs its own system can't produce, but the United States doesn't have an OBC class that comprises 50-60% of its population. At worst, when we think about black and Hispanic degradation, we are thinking about 10-20% of the population, and that's roughly equivalent to Dalits.
But the entire issue we're talking about right now is the OBC cluster. When you bin OBCs and Dalits together, you get a percentage that's equal to the white proportion of the United States. And FCs in the 20-35% class of the population exploit OBCs and Dalits. It is awfully reminiscent of Apartheid in South Africa, except that instead of white Afrikaaners terrorizing black South Africans, it's high-caste Indians exploiting low-caste Indians.
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The problem with the caste system is that 'smart genes' have not been widely distributed within the Indian population. Unlike China, where the examination system produced talent that rose to positions of power, privilege, and polygamy.
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