Ladakh Flash Point

Sardaukar20 said:

Says the Air Force Chief of India. LOL...



Off course, the IAF is always better than PLAAF!

Sometimes I just wish he puts his money where his mouth is. Please go ahead and use those Rafales to 'shoot first and strike deep and hard'. Please do a Balakot on China. I want to see how long his career as Air Force Chief lasts. How many Indian lives and prestige would be lost under his idiotic command. His predecessor BS (bullshit) Dhanoa didn't last so long after Operation Swift Retort.

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Chinese are so bad at posturing.
You should tell them " Indian Air Farce shouldn't forget what happened last year. Instead of Farcing, they should do what they do best. Help transportation of covid medicine & occasionally shoot down Rafael with meteors "

See what happens next

Nobonita Barua said:

Chinese are so bad at posturing.
You should tell them " Indian Air Farce shouldn't forget what happened last year. Instead of Farcing, they should do what they do best. Help transportation of covid medicine & occasionally shoot down Rafael with meteors "

See what happens next

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That’s something Hu Xijin would do. The PLA is professional and doesn’t do trash talking unless provoked, in which case it would release video or photographic evidence of severe beatings. As an old adage goes, a picture is worth a thousand words.

Also, in more realistic light tank news, the Indians imported the Sprut SDM1 to counter Chinese ZTQ-15s. It's more heavily gunned at 125mm, making it a potential threat to ZTZ-99s, but it's very lightweight at only 18 tons meaning that it's pretty much a mobile anti-tank gun that can go where it needs to, but otherwise needs to be dug in.

siegecrossbow said:

That’s something Hu Xijin would do. The PLA is professional and doesn’t do trash talking unless provoked, in which case it would release video or photographic evidence of severe beatings. As an old adage goes, a picture is worth a thousand words.

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Exactly. That's what I suggested here.
Twitter or global times. Whichever gets these word out. But even he is far too gentle & soft for posturing ..
I am seriously thinking China should hire someone from outside who can do this.

There is no question of any armed forces doing these kinds of talking. But the baldy here is clearly trying to do shadow politics. China should return the favour hurting them where they are most afraid of.

I mean if China wants, I can do that for free on behalf of them. It's really fun when you get under their skin. Trust me, you will never get under their skin with facts.

So I see our friend Inst learned LITERALLY NOTHING from his exchange with RichardGao several months ago in the ZTQ thread

I suggest people reread the ZTQ thread starting from here and continue the discussion there if needed

Nobonita Barua said:

Exactly. That's what I suggested here.

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Ignoring your technically incorrect accusation of being strawman-ed, I think you are confusing yourself. You originally said the Type 15 should benefit from having the 1500hp engine and it is also you who said weight is of greatest importance to the Type 15, yet curiously also insist on...

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Twitter or global times. Whichever gets these word out. But even he is far too gentle & soft for posturing ..
I am seriously thinking China should hire someone from outside who can do this.

There is no question of any armed forces doing these kinds of talking. But the baldy here is clearly trying to do shadow politics. China should return the favour hurting them where they are most afraid of.

I mean if China wants, I can do that for free on behalf of them. It's really fun when you get under their skin. Trust me, you will never get under their skin with facts.

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I think Arnab might actually do it if the PLA offered enough money. After all they were sponsored by Oppo.

siegecrossbow said:

That’s something Hu Xijin would do. The PLA is professional and doesn’t do trash talking.

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Agree entirely.
China would never involve Pakistan if a showdown ( highly unlikely) happened with India. A full blown war between Pakistan and India is far more likely. But likewise Pakistan will never involve China in a war with India. It hasn't so far.
Theoretically there is a remote scenario of Pakistan and India getting into a nuclear exchange and nuclear weapons might be used in Ladakh also.
China's only concern ( a minor one ) would then be the effects of contamination.
Wargaming :
The subtropical jet stream blows west to east in the tropopause at a height of 10,600 meters ( approximately) at speeds of between 160 to 177 km/h.
A 20 kiloton nuclear device detonated near Srinagar would cause a fall out blowing eastwards in the jet stream and reach Chinese territory in 3 hours. The Himalayas at 8800 m would be a strong mitigating factor. would probably cause some of the fallout to be trapped.
Since the adjoining areas
are very sparsely populated there should far less hazards.

Inst said:

@ougoah
The ZTZ-99 runs a 1500 hp engine. The ZTQ-15 runs a 1000 HP engine. All the ZTQ-15 needs to hit 40 P/W would be to equip a ZTZ-99 1500 HP engine.

Moreover, I'm arguing that the mobility advantage is overstated because the ZTQ-15 vs the T-90 in terms of P/W is within 10% of the ZTZ-99 vs the T-90. The main advantage of the ZTQ-15 is in its light weight, allowing it to manage terrain a heavier tank would not be able to manage.
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No. What matters is both the vehicle's power to weight ratio and the engine torque. If you have a high power engine that weighs a lot you likely will end up with worse power to weight ratio total if you adapt it into the tank. There is a reason people don't put marine diesels into tanks. The Type 15 engine is more modern than the Type 99's so there is little reason to assume it has less specific power to weight than the older engine. 1000hp is more than the power of the original T-90 tank even which is a much heavier tank so I wouldn't call it 'anemic' like you said in another post.

When you talk about the Indian Army's supposed purchase of the Sprut SD, which has a 510 hp engine, would you call that 'anemic' too? Even though it has 28 hp/ton? The simple fact is the engine, the suspension and the vehicle need to be balanced together.

You said in another post that the Type 15 was designed for boggy terrain. I doubt that. The first pictures we saw of the tank was in location in Tibet. Which is what? Mountainous high altitude terrain. Another clue that mountainous and rocky rather than boggy terrain was the prime design target of the Type 15 is the tracks. If you look at the tracks it has thin rather than wide tracks. That means the tank is designed to operate in hard ground surfaces and to be able to make sharp turns quickly. Not to operate on marshes. It probably still has decently low ground pressure to operate in marshes but it does not seem to be the primary design target to me.

siegecrossbow said:

I hope IAF ground crew doesn’t go on massive strike when the Air Force tried to hold them accountable.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1312735447223681024

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A slightly similiar situation with the production schedule of the Rafale at the Dassault factory. The production of 36 Rafales over a 3 year period was set at 1 aircraft per month. If this rate seems slow, don't blame the Dassault management. The rate of production was set by the Labor Union at the factory. The production was set as slow as possible, so those unionized workers can keep their jobs long as possible.