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Ignoring your technically incorrect accusation of being strawman-ed, I think you are confusing yourself. You originally said the Type 15 should benefit from having the 1500hp engine and it is also you who said weight is of greatest importance to the Type 15, yet curiously also insist on increasing its weight. P/W is much better than other MBTs by my definition. If an average MBT has P/W roughly around 23hp/T, Type 15's of 30hp/T absolutely smashes the average tank. I don't know what your definition of "much better" is but for me that's nearly a 30% advantage and I'd call that much better.

As for carrying armour, Type 15 is 33T nominally like the Type 99A is 58T and M1A2 is 72T. Type 15 with additional armour is 36T. That's as good info as we've got on it and your pure assumptions are worthless rubbish. If you want to assume Type 15 is 39T or whatever, it is up to you to prove this first before making further judgements.

What's the bleeding point of stuffing a 1500hp engine into a Type 15 indeed! You suggested it you muppet! LOL I've seen braindead bhakts behave and converse with more cognitive acuity than this garbage. I don't mean to offend you if you are dealing with any medical issues though. It's truly been a strange exchange of posts with you contradicting yourself more often than usual and making grand cases based on totally wild assumptions.

The points been made clearly enough and you've been corrected thoroughly. I won't take this further off-topic and will ignore your future posts on super duper heavy Type 15 related content.

My point is that it's 39 IMPERIAL tons, not metric tons. It's confusing since PW figures are usually given in IMPERIAL power over METRIC tonnes, which confuses the crap out of everyone.

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Fact of the matter is, the ZTQ-15 doesn't have that much of a P/W advantage over other tanks. When loaded, it's comparable to both ZTZ-99 as well as Type 10 without armor.

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The talk about stuffing the ZTQ-15 with a heavier engine was a matter of hypotheticals, I've stated that pure power isn't that exploitable for a tank given the significant time needed to flank an opponent.

Come to think of it, actually, the Type 10 on minimal load-out has the exact same P/W as the ZTQ-15 on zero load (1200 hp / 40 metric tons). It seems if the Indians want to pay out the nose again (and the Indians do love to do that), they should just import Type 10s to counter ZTQ-15. The weight on minimal load-out (40 tons) is going to be heavier than the ZTQ-15 on minimal load-out as well as heavier load-outs, but the Type 10 is a true MBT which can be uparmored for MBT vs MBT fights and has a 120mm gun that can successfully contest ZTZ-99s.
 

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All for workers rights but striking because some authority is trying to justifiably improve accountability? wow that's pretty low. I would trust their work even less after that move if I were the authority being tasked with improving things.

I don’t know what is worse — not having ammo or having ammo that blows up and kills your artillery crew :).
 

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Ignoring your technically incorrect accusation of being strawman-ed, I think you are confusing yourself. You originally said the Type 15 should benefit from having the 1500hp engine and it is also you who said weight is of greatest importance to the Type 15, yet curiously also insist on increasing its weight. P/W is much better than other MBTs by my definition. If an average MBT has P/W roughly around 23hp/T, Type 15's of 30hp/T absolutely smashes the average tank. I don't know what your definition of "much better" is but for me that's nearly a 30% advantage and I'd call that much better.

As for carrying armour, Type 15 is 33T nominally like the Type 99A is 58T and M1A2 is 72T. Type 15 with additional armour is 36T. That's as good info as we've got on it and your pure assumptions are worthless rubbish. If you want to assume Type 15 is 39T or whatever, it is up to you to prove this first before making further judgements.

What's the bleeding point of stuffing a 1500hp engine into a Type 15 indeed! You suggested it you muppet! LOL I've seen braindead bhakts behave and converse with more cognitive acuity than this garbage. I don't mean to offend you if you are dealing with any medical issues though. It's truly been a strange exchange of posts with you contradicting yourself more often than usual and making grand cases based on totally wild assumptions.

The points been made clearly enough and you've been corrected thoroughly. I won't take this further off-topic and will ignore your future posts on super duper heavy Type 15 related content.

ZTQ-15 is faster, lighter & a smaller tank in all respects. It is more nimble as it has P/W ratio advantage. A fast moving smaller target would be statistically much more difficult to hit for the T-90 than the other way round, so the ZTQ-15 is likely to score higher number of direct hits than the T-90. So even though T-90 is a superior tank due to its bigger gun & thicker armor, the advantages will even out in the battle field. Moreover the ZTQ-15 will be fighting in an environment it is designed for & will probably meet its performance parameters while the T-90 is not likely to do the same by a long shot.
 

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"I can tell you with confidence that operationally, we are amongst the best," he added.

Says the Air Force Chief of India. LOL...

Bhadauria also mentioned that the integration of Rafales has given the IAF an operational and technological edge which would enable it 'shoot first and strike deep and hard'.

Off course, the IAF is always better than PLAAF! :rolleyes:

Sometimes I just wish he puts his money where his mouth is. Please go ahead and use those Rafales to 'shoot first and strike deep and hard'. Please do a Balakot on China. I want to see how long his career as Air Force Chief lasts. How many Indian lives and prestige would be lost under his idiotic command. His predecessor BS (bullshit) Dhanoa didn't last so long after Operation Swift Retort.
 

Nobonita Barua

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Is this serious? Will Pakistan be dragged into the Ladakh stand off?

Getting dragged ? If they can't do anything where China has unilaterally changed the equation in favour of them, they should really stop talking about some States.

As for air base is concerned, China just missed a golden opportunity for a psychological strike.
They could have answered " a third world country dreaming about winning war on the back of same colonial power they have been slave to is ironic "
Or " that's a bad joke. Isn't India hiding behind their colonial masters" through Global times.
Indians are good at word have games. They are very prone to psychological warfare targeting their history.
China should actively seek to raise the animosity between India & SCS claimers. Some of them are bound to fall for this.
 

Sardaukar20

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Is this serious? Will Pakistan be dragged into the Ladakh stand off?

Maybe he is serious. That IAF Air Chief is a fool after all. Pakistan is the favourite go-to villain for India along with China.

India dragging Pakistan into the Ladakh stand-off is not desirable for Pakistan. But Pakistan won't be facing India alone this time. And that is all that matters.
 
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