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Kakyan

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Do you reckon the Indian troops shooting this footage got beat up really badly again and the Chinese took away their phones like in previous engagements?
Read again.l what i said. I am saying anyone claiming the PLA got footage from a dropped phone is in a fantasy world. The footage got out as SFF shared the clip with their friends/relatives through SM like Whatsapp, FB etc
 

Biscuits

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ZTQs are light tanks, therefore scout tanks. They'll be maneuvering to provide reconnaissance support for the rest of the PLA and they might end up in firefights with T-90s, especially if they can't withdraw in time.

This is why I emphasize the need for a good fire-and-forget top-attack ATGM; if a ZTQ-15 platoon sees T-90s providing targets of opportunity, it can open fire then run. If ZTQ-15s are ambushed by T-90s, they can open fire and deal damage even if they are destroyed.

ZTQ-15s aren't tank destroyers, but they do need the versatility to react to unanticipated events like the sudden appearance of T-90s. They are best off withdrawing, but a firing withdrawal is often safer than just dinging the tanks turret with their puny 105mm shells.

You assume its going to end up in a pure 1vs1 fight, but that would only happen if Indian army could grab logistical, air and recon superiority to surprise them. In reality it will be the complete opposite.

If they do end up in a firefight it would be with the element of surprise and with other factors giving them advantage.

How many Bradley IFV did Iraqi T72s destroy in the gulf war? Type 15s are way more durable than recon IFVs and have more firepower.
 

Sardaukar20

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Wrong. All of the posts with this video on weibo are several hours older than the Tibetan original post.
Then prove it! Show us the "original post" and the Weibo post. Do you know how to find that post in Weibo? Can you read Chinese? You haven't posted anything from Weibo as far as I can remember.

You are quoting from a group with a confirmed history of fake news. As expected, you have no evidence and have terrible argument. You are reinforcing the already negative stereotypes of your countrymen here. India needs better people than you.
 
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Bright Sword

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Read again.l what i said. I am saying anyone claiming the PLA got footage from a dropped phone is in a fantasy world. The footage got out as SFF shared the clip with their friends/relatives through SM like Whatsapp, FB etc
Questions;
1. Why would the SFF release a clip showing the PLA gaining a position?
2. Why would the SFF be speaking in Hindi in a North Indian ( probably Haryana Jatt) accent?
3.The SFF probably has speakers knowing rudimentary Mandarin.
Why would they be appealing to the PLA troops "Come down" in Hindi
Those familiar with nuances of the Hindi language the person in the video
is shouting:
"Neechay Aa " ( Come down )
In footage seen before, the Indians usually add an expletive at the beginning or end of the statement:
So it would be
"M$€£¥%F ! Neechay Aa"
or "Neechay Aa M$€£¥%F"
The ultra polite, and chaste way of saying this in classic Hindi would be :
" Neechay Aa-jayen" or "Neechay Aayen"
"Neechay Ao" would be the way a child would be addressed.
When a person from Rajasthan or Haryana, or Punjab speaks, the accent is harsh and rasping, as in the video saying "Neechay Aa" . If he were speaking in his native Haryanvi dialect or Punjabi he would have said:
"Thalle Aa"
But Hindi varies widely across Northern India. The grammar, accent, and dialect changes with each province , and even with each prefecture.
A person from Eastern India would say
"Neechay Ao" which is how a Tibetan who is resident in India usually speaks.
 
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plawolf

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ZTQs are light tanks, therefore scout tanks. They'll be maneuvering to provide reconnaissance support for the rest of the PLA and they might end up in firefights with T-90s, especially if they can't withdraw in time.

This is why I emphasize the need for a good fire-and-forget top-attack ATGM; if a ZTQ-15 platoon sees T-90s providing targets of opportunity, it can open fire then run. If ZTQ-15s are ambushed by T-90s, they can open fire and deal damage even if they are destroyed.

ZTQ-15s aren't tank destroyers, but they do need the versatility to react to unanticipated events like the sudden appearance of T-90s. They are best off withdrawing, but a firing withdrawal is often safer than just dinging the tanks turret with their puny 105mm shells.

You are far too obsessed with paper stats and do not seem to care much about the real world.

Just because the Type15’s 105 is not able to reliably penetrate the T90’s front armour does not, by any stretch of the imagination, mean that a T90 can take a 105 hit like nothing happened.

In the real world, a hit like that could most likely mission kill the T90 as there will likely to a lot of damage to both external and internal systems from the kinetic/explosive impact. The biggest benefit would be that the crew is likely to get out without fatalities (although injuries like fractures and concussions are still possible, if not likely). Even in the extremely lucky eventuality that the T90 is still operational after such a hit, it’s crew would be shaken up and stunned for a while at least, and would need some time to recover and do damage assessments before the T90 could operate again. That is assuming they didn’t just bail out immediately upon impact for good measure.

Depending on just how good the Type15’s FCS is, in the event of an unexpected encounter with T90s, they can either mount a firing retreat by mission killing/stunning T90s with 105 hits; or they can try to take out T90s by placing the second shot where the first had hit and weakened the armour or aiming for weak points like the torrent ring with their first shots.

But no matter how you cut it, the Type15’s 105 is by no means the useless peashooter you are implying even without gun launched ATGMs, which the the Chinese most certainly have, and which have been posted before.
 

Bright Sword

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Those familiar with nuances of the Hindi language the person in the video
is shouting:
"Neechay Aa " ( Come down )
In footage seen before, the Indians usually add an expletive at the beginning or end of the statement:
So it would be
"M$€£¥%F ! Neechay Aa"
or "Neechay Aa M$€£¥%F"
The ultra polite, and chaste way of saying this in classic Hindi would be :
" Neechay Aa-jayen" or "Neechay Aayen"
"Neechay Ao" would be the way a child would be addressed.
When a person from Rajasthan or Haryana, or Punjab speaks, the accent is harsh and rasping, as in the video saying "Neechay Aa" . If he were speaking in his native Haryanvi dialect or Punjabi he would have said:
"Thalle Aa"
But Hindi varies widely across Northern India. The grammar, accent, and dialect changes with each province , and even with each prefecture.
A person from Eastern India would say
"Neechay Ao" which is how a Tibetan who is resident in India usually speaks.
Linguists like the famous Colonel Pickering and Professor Higgins as depicted in GB Shaws classic play "Pygmalion" ( later made into the musical "My Fair Lady") were very valuable intelligence analyst resources in the old British Indian Army. They could literally place a person's origin within a few square kilometers simply by analyzing the accent and manner of speaking. This was very valuable intelligence to the British Army ruling India when they captured insurgents or even when recruiting military manpower.
Am not a "Colonial Pickering" but from the accent and pitch of the person shouting "Neechay Aa" in the video we can deduce the following:
1. The person is not Tibetan, or from anywhere in the North East.
2. Neither is the person Ladakhi or from northern Himachal, or from Kashmir ( Valley). The voice pitch is wrong.
3. The person is a native Hindi dialect speaker from either of these places
1. Haryana, Punjab, Rajasthan 2. Jammu ( Dogri), 3.Central Himachal 4. Kumaoni ( long shot guess).
 

Kakyan

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Then prove it! Show us the "original post" and the Weibo post. Do you know how to find that post in Weibo? Can you read Chinese? You haven't posted anything from Weibo as far as I can remember.

You are quoting from a group with a confirmed history of fake news. As expected, you have no evidence and have terrible argument. You are reinforcing the already negative stereotypes of your countrymen here. India needs better people than you.
I already provided the original tweet a couple of pages back. I challenge you to find a single post on weibo or anywhere on Chines eweb that is older than the tweet I posted

Tip: You are going to fail the challenge real bad.
 

Bright Sword

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PLA is not gaining any position. It is on Chinese side of LAC as per even Indian LAC version.

SFF has many JCOs seconded from Para units. All officers are also from elsewhere
If the PLA is not gaining any position and are on the Chinese side of the LAC then why would this person from India be shouting at them to "Come down". Would the PLA have abandoned the heights on a request?
From the angle of the video and the fact that this guy is shouting " Neechay" ( Down) it appears the PLA is on higher advantageous ground.
 

Sardaukar20

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I already provided the original tweet a couple of pages back. I challenge you to find a single post on weibo or anywhere on Chines eweb that is older than the tweet I posted

Tip: You are going to fail the challenge real bad.
You have already failed my challenge! Where is your original tweet? The Tibetan fake news guys? Where is your Weibo post evidence? You've produced nothing! I got better things to do than to waste time playing this stupid game with garbage like you.
 
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