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manqiangrexue

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caohailiang said:
well i think over the long run, say 50 years, you will see 3 countries at the top in terms of economic and military power: China, US and India. Or, with the most pessimistic view of India, they will have a huge population that can be armed with imported weapon. So i would not take that country so lightly in a future potential global conflict.
As opposed to Japan - that is a country, if you really try hard enough, can be uprooted altogether, like the US did in ww2, but i dont think any power could do the same to India. So i think your analogy is not appropriate.
I think a proper historical example, would be Germany vs France in 1870s, where i think Bismark made the mistake of taking alsace-lorraine, which makes France the mortal enemy for the next 70 years to come. Well you could argue military performance of France during that period, but you cannot deny alsace-lorraine poisoned the relationship to the root, and it limited Germans strategic option all those years.
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So your argument is that India might become powerful in the future so you're scared to defend yourself against them now?

First of all, in 50 years, the country that is expected to grow the fastest and come into power is China so by your logic, it's still the Indians who need to watch their step. As I said, power determines everything and the best way for China to have a good relationship with India (short of finding a common foe) is to make India too scared to be an enemy of China.

Secondly, all problems can heal with time as long as negative politics don't continue to inflame them. Mongolia with once a part of China and so were parts of Siberia but China's not the mortal enemy of either Mongolia or Russia. India will learn too because life would be too hard for it opposing China in Asia if it didn't.
 
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I'm afraid this is what somebody wants and it's not a good thing for China. Without going too far into politics, I can say that somebody want to sour up the China-India relationship and force India to become an enemy of China (IMO, Modi never want to be one). The Modi administration will have no choice but make up an ally against China.
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Well, a theory of an Indian analyst for the current flareup posits that Modi was making himself a new Nehru and pulling the same Nehru tricks on Xi. Modi and Xi, in one-on-one meetings in Wuhan and Mamallapuram, agreed there would be standing down on both sides, something along the line of old Hindi-Chinni Bhai Bhai banner. Instead, in the subsequent period India massively surged their troops level and infrastructure buildup far more than what is required to handle existing Chinese forces along the border, hence Chinese counter buildup and ensuing run-in with each other.
 
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AZaz09dude said:
The bollywood retelling of the events is out, for anyone who wants a good laugh o_O

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I actually find this highly disrespectful of the actual soldiers from Bihar. This is like one of those shitty tv series about the Sino-Japanese War where Chinese guerilla fighters literally tear Japanese soldiers in two with their bare hands.
 
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manqiangrexue said:
So your argument is that India might become powerful in the future so you're scared to defend yourself against them now?
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I dont really appreciate you putting word in my mouth. Above has completely nothing to do with what i meant, and what i meant is quite simple:
if you dont want a country to go against you, on one hand you give them something to fear like you suggested, on the other hand, dont give them too many reason to hate you. I dont think these 2 points are conflicting with each other. Drastic measure like splitting up other country will sometimes have drastic consequence.
 
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caohailiang said:
I dont really appreciate you putting word in my mouth. Above has completely nothing to do with what i meant, and what i meant is quite simple:
if you dont want a country to go against you, on one hand you give them something to fear like you suggested, on the other hand, dont give them too many reason to hate you. I dont think these 2 points are conflicting with each other. Drastic measure like splitting up other country will sometimes have drastic consequence.
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He didn't put words in your mouth, he summarized your very unconvincing analogy. India is not to China what France was to Germany and never will be.
India must suffer a blow as grievous as dismemberment so the lesson that China is not to be crossed is seared into its national consciousness. India thinks it's China's peer and that simply cannot be allowed to stand.
 
manqiangrexue

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caohailiang said:
I dont really appreciate you putting word in my mouth. Above has completely nothing to do with what i meant, and what i meant is quite simple:
if you dont want a country to go against you, on one hand you give them something to fear like you suggested, on the other hand, dont give them too many reason to hate you. I dont think these 2 points are conflicting with each other. Drastic measure like splitting up other country will sometimes have drastic consequence.
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I don't appreciate you changing what you said. Where in your post did you ever say to give them something to fear? All you ever said is that they might grow in 50 years so it would be bad to be their enemy. Do everyone a favor and convince India of that, not China. What does it even mean to give them something to fear but not too many reasons to hate you? Where's that balance and who are you to decide it? Carving a little piece out of them is exactly that balance as I see it. Now they fear you for what you did and for what more you could do but don't hate you enough because most of their country is still intact.
 
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I think it's quite important diplomatically to keep India toe one-China policy line. Taiwan is the main focus until it's resolved resoundingly in China's favor. In the meantime, China would need to find an outlet to keep Indians busy and distracted to ease the pressure off LAC.
 
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duskseeker

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India needs to put a lid on this anti-China sentiment, if not then China should stoke separatism in India.
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How? This is a religion based sentiment as well all of it's minor religion. I'm already seeing news of Indian army falling off cliffs instead of being beaten to death but that only stopped a little of the anti china voices. what makes it worse is the endless goading of other nationals on the Indian Hindu fascists.
 
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