Ladakh Flash Point

Gatekeeper said:

At the final analysis, neither countries want this. But it isn't what the leaders want that's the problem.

Beijing I'm fairly confident didn't start this or wanting to prolong it. I also fairly confident it has its troop under full control.

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Unfortunately, whole leh saga was started by PLA who doesn't follow their political leadership. It was china who started it all in galwan and refused the implement the agreement of their leadership.

Gatekeeper said:

India on the other hand. Well I'm fairly certain Modie doesn't want it either (But secretly hoping to spin a win out from it). But lack total control from all the nationalists under him. And the hot head ill-discipline sodiers. As demonstrated from the dead colonel' s antics.

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you rightly said , Modi doesn't want a war but that doesn't mean anyone can come and alter the status of our boundaries. As for soldiers goes, you need to see our history and discipline with which they act. Ours is the most professional and disciplined army who have never disobeyed the political leadership while it's the war with china or pakistan or liberation o bangladesh or UN peacekeeping mission, they have acted with utmost professionalism.

If they were indisciplined, they would have grounded the pakistan many times by now since their proxy war is going on for almost 3 decades now. Even in Kargil war also, when whole world knew that's it's pakistan army regulars ( 25 NLI soldiers) who have captured kargil heights, we choose to not cross the line. Infact, we gave their soldiers a respectful burial when their own country refused to own them.

zgx09t said:

Ladakh is right on the Himalaya geothermal belt. India has one geothermal project on their side in Leh.
Not sure a small geothermal heat pump for those containerized barracks is feasible in these areas.
If it is feasible, China can have year round on-station troops along LAC in places if necessary.

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For china problem are the long supply lines stretching almost few hundred km's. Moreover china have no experience with maintaining high altitude position on a hostile place like Himalayas.

xplosive1980 said:

For china problem are the long supply lines stretching almost few hundred km's. Moreover china have no experience with maintaining high altitude position on a hostile place like Himalayas.

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The supply lines for the army are unlikely to become under attack by India unless PLA's air defences and PLAAF get neutralised by IAF. However, the PLA has gradually moved a fairly large volume of military equipment and troops to reinforce this region. It may still be lower in number to deployable IA equivalents but the gap isn't anywhere near as large as it used to be. Sure IA have closer supply lines but fewer equipment overall.

Any actual war happening here would be pretty high intensity and probably will rest entirely on the effectiveness of respective airforces. Air superiority and SEAD+DEAD means bombers and attack aircraft along with UAVs, will have free reign, pretty much negating any one sided ground force numerical superiority. When it comes to bombers, strike aircraft, and UAVs for air to ground, India is at a significant disadvantage. It will need to use its airforce to defeat the PLAAF stationed near this region and suppress PLA's air defences. No doubt IA has the numbers to hold back any PLA advance (unless PLA matches the IA) but PLA and PLARF will be doing their part in attacking IAF on the ground using long ranged artillery, cruise missiles, and ballistic missiles. Once airfields are actually damaged, they aren't that easy to get back into service condition. This may be more than enough to help the PLAAF offset the numerical advantage of IAF.

xplosive1980 said:

if you read my original post, i mentioned the word "Rumor" . Hope you know the meaning. Will ignore rest of your written Garbage and would suggest you read your own history before getting into name calling et all.

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Ya, but that rumor has been spread by your 1.3 billion garbage, is that correct?

xplosive1980 said:

Pls spare me your rhetoric, Your forefathers in bangladesh had to beg us in 1971 to save your womens and sisters when your masters in east were raping and cleansing your whole race like a slave.

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Beg you? For what? To learn how to be a beggar like 1.3 billion of you? Are you forgetting that you are the biggest whore of the planet that has been used by literally everybody? You couldn't save your own women,wives & sisters (though in this case, i would say,indian women are most eligible on the planet, no wonder they always had a thing for men from outside) , in fact in some case, you gave them willingly to serve your white master? Do you remember "Let's not fight with British" ? Did you forget the history of your little whore & slave nation who got it's "independence" in a begging bowl?
It's a very embarassing thing to forget that your "forefathers" were the biggest whore in your story, are you ashamed of your past?

xplosive1980 said:

As for hydrogen bomb goes, first learn what it is and indians fart daily, that's how you get gas in bangladesh and you cook on that gas.

@MODS- this guy is constantly abusing unnecessarily when i have been trying to debate politely. Seems like only words he knows is fart.

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Umm, i don't think even if 1.3 billion tiny indians fart the life out of themselves, still they can produce anything substantial. Because your 1.3 billion are literally worthless. Your lil indians don't even have food for themselves. If we need gas out of your a-- ,then we will drag it out of your a-- , trust me lil 1.3 billion whindians ,LOL.

You can't handle it here, don't swarm everywhere like rats, it's irritating. Do the honor of sparing us from your whindian fart.Go home & fart there.

xplosive1980 said:

Unfortunately, you cannot reach mars by farting so you need better ideas to reach Mars until than please continue skinning the dead animals in chittagong.

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Can't i? I thought that's how indians produce rocket fuel.
I would rather ask china to send us some of those 20 to "skin them", that would feel fantastic. Considering you can't do anything except whining, why don't you go to mumbai slum & ready yourself? I heard your court made it legal for your population?
You love western culture, i bet they would love to have some of your whindian a-- .

xplosive1980 said:

For china problem are the long supply lines stretching almost few hundred km's. Moreover china have no experience with maintaining high altitude position on a hostile place like Himalayas.

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China is running fiber optic cables right close to the LAC, while Indian villages there still have no power, sitting in the dark at night looking at bright lights on the Chinese side, seething at their incompetent government and their birth luck. How many Indian troops had frozen to death so far this year since June? So much for your Indian "experience in maintaining high altitude position on a hostile place like Himalayas."

zgx09t said:

China is running fiber optic cables right close to the LAC, while Indian villages there still have no power, sitting in the dark at night looking at bright lights on the Chinese side, seething at the incompetent government and their birth luck. How many Indian troops had frozen to death so far this year since June? So much for your Indian "experience in maintaining high altitude position on a hostile place like Himalayas."

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Honestly the high altitude performance of individual troops is really similar. Maybe Tibetans are better acclimated but the PLA is better supplied in some ways because of the support. Hot meals, better camps, heated rooms etc. Well maybe it makes the PLA "softer" soldiers but when has war been fought and won by soldiers these days.

All of these guys, especially the ones right at the edges, are unfortunately cannon fodder if anything starts. Like I said before, even if they win any struggle and the opposition decides to deliver artillery and airstrikes, these men are finished either way. Extremely unfortunate "necessities" by the military leadership. There's no better way to stake your claim and have eyes on the ground for intrusions though. Probably a lot cheaper than flying multiple UAVs for months on end. Although with new tensions, the PLA might begin performing limited UAV patrols.

ougoah said:

Honestly the high altitude performance of individual troops is really similar. Maybe Tibetans are better acclimated but the PLA is better supplied in some ways because of the support.

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Are you not aware that there are a lot of ethnic Tibetans serving in the PLA?

xplosive1980 said:

We are capable on defending ourselves

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Right, I can see how well that's going. Keep it up.

ougoah said:

Honestly the high altitude performance of individual troops is really similar. Maybe Tibetans are better acclimated but the PLA is better supplied in some ways because of the support. Hot meals, better camps, heated rooms etc. Well maybe it makes the PLA "softer" soldiers but when has war been fought and won by soldiers these days.

All of these guys, especially the ones right at the edges, are unfortunately cannon fodder if anything starts. Like I said before, even if they win any struggle and the opposition decides to deliver artillery and airstrikes, these men are finished either way. Extremely unfortunate "necessities" by the military leadership. There's no better way to stake your claim and have eyes on the ground for intrusions though. Probably a lot cheaper than flying multiple UAVs for months on end. Although with new tensions, the PLA might begin performing limited UAV patrols.

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Nobody died in Qinghai-Tibet railway construction, with over 100,000 workers.
That should be enough evidence that China will prevail in any high altitude endeavors, civil or otherwise.

If you are implying their positions are indefensible thus they are sitting ducks if and when there's a sudden Indian surprise attack of the proportions you described, then the question is how prepared and fast PLA will respond to that initial attack, and in what proportions. It's a big if and when for Indians to start opening fire on those hilltops all of a sudden. There will be a whole lot more variables involved before Indians can pull that off. If the PLA local commanders react within a few hours, or even minutes, those boys would have better than average chance of dying a natural old age on a soft bed than on those hills.