Ladakh Flash Point

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xplosive1980

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The supply lines for the army are unlikely to become under attack by India unless PLA's air defences and PLAAF get neutralised by IAF. However, the PLA has gradually moved a fairly large volume of military equipment and troops to reinforce this region. It may still be lower in number to deployable IA equivalents but the gap isn't anywhere near as large as it used to be. Sure IA have closer supply lines but fewer equipment overall.

Any actual war happening here would be pretty high intensity and probably will rest entirely on the effectiveness of respective airforces. Air superiority and SEAD+DEAD means bombers and attack aircraft along with UAVs, will have free reign, pretty much negating any one sided ground force numerical superiority. When it comes to bombers, strike aircraft, and UAVs for air to ground, India is at a significant disadvantage. It will need to use its airforce to defeat the PLAAF stationed near this region and suppress PLA's air defences. No doubt IA has the numbers to hold back any PLA advance (unless PLA matches the IA) but PLA and PLARF will be doing their part in attacking IAF on the ground using long ranged artillery, cruise missiles, and ballistic missiles. Once airfields are actually damaged, they aren't that easy to get back into service condition. This may be more than enough to help the PLAAF offset the numerical advantage of IAF.

Well your G 219 is not too far away and once your airfield are neutralized , Tibet is up for grab. So your supply lines are pretty much vulnerable.

As for PLAAF goes, they might have numerical superiority over all but it;s the man and tactics behind these machines which won war. Chinese pilots & their tactics have been exposed multiple times in various exercises and lack the practical war experience. Remember the war exercises that China had with Malaysia... your fighters were bunnies for Malaysia air force.

FYI - your most stealth fighter was tracked and recorded by Our fighters some 100 KM's away from LAC ...
 

Figaro

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FYI - your most stealth fighter was tracked and recorded by Our fighters some 100 KM's away from LAC ...
Do you guys ever get ashamed of spreading such BS fake news? Even the Taiwan Ministry of Defense had to call you guys out for spreading the ridiculous rumor that a PLAAF Su-35 was shot down in Taiwan just yesterday. A couple of days before that, you guys used pictures of old Chinese cemeteries taken last year to prove that these were the burial sites of the supposedly dozens of PLA soldiers killed at Galwan. Then of course last year, you guys without any evidence whatsoever said your air force shot down a PAF F-16 and killed over 300 militants in Balakot. Please have some decency for the sake of this world ... literally everyone is tired of your people's fake news machine.
 

Figaro

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Well, good for china than. at least they have some body with guts and balls to fight. I thought Chinese have already cleansed the Tibet fully and settled people from other places there .
You do know SDF is a forum to discuss military or strategic matters in a civil manner ... it is not a forum to troll in. It is clear that you and dozens of your compatriots have registered in this forum in recent weeks for the sole purpose of trolling and spreading disinformation on behalf of India. Meanwhile, no Chinese or Pakistani individuals actively go on cesspool Indian forums to troll or disseminate false narratives. I have also observed this trend in the Pakistani defence forum, where you guys are even more prevalent in. Do you guys literally have nothing to do besides trolling others?
the entire thread looks like a comedy for me, china is bully all over the world , their expansionist ideology , and slave peoples will suffer in the future . Chinese communist party is spoon feeding fake narratives to its people ,hiding the death of its soldiers , claiming new territories of varuous countries , and acting like a saint . the new Nazis
^ another example of what I mentioned just above
 

jfy1155

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Well all those are facts. when dealing with rogue states you don't look for proofs. In Galwan, chinese soldiers were killed and had their necks hanging. It took china 30 years to acknowledge the list of their martyred soldiers of 1962 and 1967 so i expect them to acknowledge their soldiers sacrifice by 2050 at least.

Balakot - Indian MOD have issues radar proofs of F 16 shot down. I don't need a acknowledgement from rogue state like Pakistan. I trust our democratically elected govt.

Decency is a good word. Ensure you teach it's meaning as well to your political and military leadership.
I think you and DELUSIONAL Indians have been watching too much BOLLYWOOD movies and Indian news media. Can you show me a NON-INDIAN news source from any of the credible International News ORGANIZATION such as AP News, Reuters, NY Times, Washington Post, BBC, France 24, Japan NHK News,etc that say about Chinese soldiers had their necks hanging?

Here is your proud 1967 for you and your Indians.

1967indianscarrybodies.jpg
 

Figaro

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I think you and DELUSIONAL Indians have been watching too much BOLLYWOOD movies and Indian news media. Can you show me a NON-INDIAN news source from any of the credible International News ORGANIZATION such as AP News, Reuters, NY Times, Washington Post, BBC, France 24, Japan NHK News,etc that say about Chinese soldiers had their necks hanging.

Here is your proud 1967 for you and your Indians.

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Forget these delusional people. In 1962, not to mention the mention the many thousands killed, over 4000 of them were captured by the PLA for zero captured on the Chinese side. A smaller version of this occurred in 1967, but since it is not as well documented or reported as 1962, the Indians can twist this into some sort of ridiculous propaganda victory even though there are Chinese photos to prove otherwise. And of course, 3 months ago, the Indians were slapped again when they suffered 22 to 50 killed and a further 60 captured, including numerous high ranking officers. These jokers will never admit defeat no matter how stacked the evidence is against them.
 

ougoah

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Well your G 219 is not too far away and once your airfield are neutralized , Tibet is up for grab. So your supply lines are pretty much vulnerable.

As for PLAAF goes, they might have numerical superiority over all but it;s the man and tactics behind these machines which won war. Chinese pilots & their tactics have been exposed multiple times in various exercises and lack the practical war experience. Remember the war exercises that China had with Malaysia... your fighters were bunnies for Malaysia air force.

FYI - your most stealth fighter was tracked and recorded by Our fighters some 100 KM's away from LAC ...

These are all untrue.

1. Tibet isn't up for grabs by India. How will India achieve this enormously difficult feat in its current state? Tibet is far further from Indian supplies which almost entirely depend on foreign imports. Tibet is very close to the core of Chinese military assets.

2. Chinese pilots and tactics have been exposed where and when? PLAAF training against Royal Thai Airforce resulted in PLAAF win WVR. J-11A defeated Gripens WVR which is extremely impressive given that Gripens are pure breed dogfighters. PLAAF lost BVR because J-11A is an early 90s Soviet fighter against a early naughties western fighter with much more modern radars and missiles. So losing BVR is kind of not a surprise. It's like pitting a 1990s F-16 against a J-16. No way the F-16 can win BVR because it can't even perform BVR shots. So you're totally wrong here.

3. When has PLAAF trained against Malaysian fighters and when were those results publicised. Again you're lying. It's pretty despicable and low mate. You're presenting the opposite of the truth which are public records like 2 above.

4. J-20 being spotted by IAF assets beyond 100km is laughable. IAF probably can't even detect an armed J-10 from beyond 100km in real life. Which fighter radar in IAF (not Rafale's RBE AESA) can do this? MKI's radar is ancient by 2020 standards and was useless against Pakistan back in 2019. The R-77s performed even worse. Of course R-77 of those variants had around 70km max range and little energy at that range. So it makes sense MKI were useless against the PAF back in 2019.

5. J-20 always wears a Luneberg lens when not in combat. Your guy who claimed IAF flankers could detect J-20 from 100km has a few issues. Radar doesn't tell you what the target is. How did they know it was J-20? Furthermore how did they know the J-20 wasn't wearing an RCS enhancer like Luneberg lens? This is already giving them the benefit of the doubt. In reality these guys are straight up lying and if IAF truly could achieve such a feat, they would have never shared this enormously confidential ability so publicly. It's laughable how stupid bhakts are for believing this. If the Chinese could detect B2 and F-22 from beyond 100km, they would keep silent about it. Why on earth would they tell the world this? LOL Only a braggy Indian who can't even find a J-10 10km would make fake noise to compensate for their incompetence.

6. IAF got flogged by PAF. Utterly humiliated. Destroyed. Molested. IAF sent Mirages, Mig-21s, Su-30MKIs against PAF's JF-17 and F-16s. You know what the IAF achieved? Nothing. A Mig-21 with a missile in its ass and its pilot captured, and a friendly helicopter shot down. This is the least. The truth is far more likely that a Su-30MKI was also lost. What did Pakistan lose? Nothing. So those MKIs and Mirages could do nothing to even touch PAF.

7. IAF actually outnumber PLAAF. Not the other way around. Sure it's the man behind the machine as well but Indians have proven to be not even half the men Pakistani pilots are. So don't go bragging that Indians are mighty martial race. You're nothing to brag about and the assumption that IAF pilots and training are better than PLAAF is an arrogant, unfounded one. Another useless non-statement presented as somehow substantial LOL.
 

Figaro

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These are all untrue.

5. J-20 always wears a Luneberg lens when not in combat. Your guy who claimed IAF flankers could detect J-20 from 100km has a few issues. Radar doesn't tell you what the target is. How did they know it was J-20? Furthermore how did they know the J-20 wasn't wearing an RCS enhancer like Luneberg lens? This is already giving them the benefit of the doubt. In reality these guys are straight up lying and if IAF truly could achieve such a feat, they would have never shared this enormously confidential ability so publicly. It's laughable how stupid bhakts are for believing this. If the Chinese could detect B2 and F-22 from beyond 100km, they would keep silent about it. Why on earth would they tell the world this? LOL Only a braggy Indian who can't even find a J-10 10km would make fake noise to compensate for their incompetence.
Forget luneberg lenses, the J-20 was never even remotely close to the Indian border.
Well, look like chinese army is in trouble.

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I did a CTRL F of the Nikkei Asian Review paper and I got zero matches for India. Please tell me how this is related in any shape whatsoever to India? Breitbart has to even falsely misquote a relatively prestigious Japanese publication ... o_O .
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ougoah

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Well, look like chinese army is in trouble.

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LOL Coz breitbart news calling Xi a dictator (emotionally biased already) is accurate. Not to even mention this isn't even true. Any fake news like the Su-35 shot down by Taiwan is presented as fact first and once debunked, it's still regarded as fact.

How about IA is in trouble since PLA took over half of India's claims. These are facts, verified and confirmed by all now.
 
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