Ladakh Flash Point

plawolf said:

Firstly, you realise that high speed and ground hugging are mutually exclusive right? A terrain hugging supersonic cruise missile will either smear itself across the first mountain it comes across or rip its own wings off trying to turn around it at supersonic speeds. Remember rockets cannot throttle like engines, so it’s not like the Brahmos can slow down and speed up as terrain shifts. It’s one speed all the way.

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High speed and ground-hugging aren't mutually exclusive when you consider missiles like the Klub, which sea-skim until they make a supersonic dash at their last stage.

That said, the Brahmos is rocket x ramjet, which implies it'll be trapped around Mach 3-4 once the ramjet takes over, which'll be soon in an air-launch.

Also, the interception scenario you've posited is very legalistic, when as Trump has demonstrated in the United States, law doesn't matter if you control public opinion. Shooting down Indian airplanes over Indian airspace will be diplomatically very damaging to China, and what's more, the InAF forces in the North are in the range of 200-300 planes. This is a huge number for the PLAAF to handle, especially once they're up in the air. The PLAAF has over 800 4th generation planes in inventory, but the number of 4.5th gen planes (i.e, AESA-ed) are likely to be in a similar number as the InAF. A massive air armada will be a challenge to deal with unless the PLAAF is ready to deploy 200-300 planes on their side. More realistically, you need the missile interception capabilities, i.e, PL-10 ASRs have to be deployed within range to shoot down the Brahmos.

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Indian inventories of Brahmos are estimated in the 500s range, I'd estimate based on their numbers that the Brahmos-A with the capability to strike deep into Chinese territory shouldn't exceed 200.

The basic reason aircraft became superior against naval craft in WW2 was because of their speed and ability to concentrate firepower. The same problem applies to China; you should assume you'd need two missiles for interception vs Indian cruise missiles. That means you'd need 200-400 SAMs at any given location to shoot down a Brahmos alpha strike.

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Basically, the PLA is in trouble until November 4th, because as long as the American election is up in the air, China has difficulty making overly aggressive moves. Once the election is over, it either doesn't matter (Trump wins) or doesn't matter (Biden is traditional American risk-averse leadership). Then even if the Indians launch a strong first strike, a counterstrike by the PLAAF could easily take out their offensive assets.

China has over 500 J-10, a lot of flankers, and now batch 7 of J-16. + unspecified number of J-20, some rumors claim 60 at the end of 2020. That's more than 1200 4th gen. So your numbers of 800 are from a few years ago, maybe years 2012-2015 numbers.

Does Modi still have the face to meet Xi after breaking their 2 consensus? An opportunistic, yet weak coward.

Understand the whole of south of area explained lucidly where Indian & Chinese armies are eye ball to eye ball (forwarded map)

Both sides have their own version of LAC, so their is a understanding between local commander of their patrolling lines and bufferzones..

In agreements between local commanders, buffer-zones are meant to be patrol by only foot soldiers, strictly no vehicles or temporary construction of any kind, mines are old and both sides don`t want to remove them..

siegecrossbow said:

Which is why said buffer zone should have physical obstacles like mines and the like. That said on second thought mines aren’t a good idea since herdsmen from both sides need the area for grazing. But some form of physical barrier on the LAC could reduce conflicts.

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Kunal Biswas said:

Understand the whole of south of

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area explained lucidly where Indian & Chinese armies are eye ball to eye ball (forwarded map)

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Here the demarcated lines are perceived lines or original lines?

From our perceived lines, PLAGF has it`s own version of it..

Nobino said:

Here the demarcated lines are perceived lines or original lines?

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Kunal Biswas said:

From our perceived lines, PLAGF has it`s own version of it..

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So Indian perceived line of LAC is just upto Finger 4. After that Chinese territory starts & india intruded there, right?

manqiangrexue said:

There is no such thing as an LAC that is considered. LAC means actual control; you either control it or you don't. It's not the same as a territorial claim. What's so special about Superpower Indian army or Indian SFF? Are they less prone than the regular Indian army to accidentally cause fratricide? LOL Indians "took" a valley that was unoccupied and already on their side of the LAC, meaning they just walked around. That's an achievement for Indians these days.

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Wrong. LAC is based on perceptions, that is what India perceives to be areas under its control is Indian LAC and areas China perceives to be under its control is Chinese LAC. Note by control it also means areas upto which patrols are sent.

Mohican Master said:

Superpower Indian army and SFF (India's own Waffen-SS) just took a strategic valley inside what Chinese consider their side of LAC

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First of all, it's great that Indians on this forum are finally openly equating themselves to Nazis.

Second, what exactly did your 'Waffen-SS' take? Please enlighten me with the details. Is this that same random unoccupied hill that your troops went and sat on, pretending like they accomplished something?

Thirdly, and most importantly, where is your dreaded blitzkrieg offensive that we were promised? What about all the land you have lost? Why aren't you getting it back? I'll tell you why: because you can't. Accept that, and give the bollywood drama a rest.