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Figaro

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Other forum(s) are starting to ring.
"10 Indian soldiers killed"
"India occupied Chinese post"
"China occupied two hills into Indian side"
"India moves into south of panggong tso"
"Rafale breaches Chinese territory"
"J20 breaches Indian territory".


It's like that 26 Feb 2019. It's fog of war. Active disinformation is everywhere.

Most of the posts are from Twitter from Pakistani and Indian handles.
China occupied two hills is not actually disinformation. It came from one of the most reliable Indian observers on the ground, Ajaj Shukla, who has active connections with the IA. The claim that India breached the LAC at Pangong was from the Chinese foreign ministry itself.
PLA offensive in Pangong resumes, Chinese take two hilltops on Indian side

The failure of three months of military and diplomatic dialogue in persuading Beijing to withdraw its troops from Eastern Ladakh was underlined on Sunday when hundreds of soldiers of China’s People’s Liberation Army (PLA) crossed into the Indian side of the Line of Actual Control (LAC) south of Pangong Tso lake, occupied a mountain called Helmet Top and began building fortifications.

Credible government sources say Indian soldiers from the nearby Thakung post intervened, to try and prevent the PLA from building defences. Physical clashes followed, though there are no reports of firing or casualties on either side.

Sources say, the PLA now occupies Helmet Top, as well as a nearby feature called Black Top, both of which are on the Indian side of the LAC. From here, Chinese soldiers can observe and track Indian movements across the Pangong lake and as far away as India’s tactically vital Chushul garrison.

“On the night of 29/30 August, PLA troops violated the consensus arrived at during military and diplomatic engagements… and carried out provocative military movements to change the status quo,” said the Indian army on Monday.


“Indian troops pre-empted this PLA activity on the southern bank of Pangong Tso Lake, undertook measures to strengthen our positions and thwart Chinese intentions to unilaterally change facts on ground,” said the army statement.

“A brigade commander-level flag meeting is in progress in Chushul to resolve the issues,” it said.


On Monday, the PLA Western Theater Command, which is responsible for the entire Sino-Indian border, accused
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of “illegally crossing the line” on August 31 at two points – the south bank of Pangong Lake and near Requin Pass. The statement said
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had "blatantly provoked and caused tension on the border” and had “undermined the consensus reached” at the diplomatic and military talks.


Stating that "This move by the Indian side seriously violated China's territorial sovereignty,” the PLA said it, is "taking necessary countermeasures, will pay close attention to developments and resolutely safeguard China's territorial sovereignty and peace and stability in border areas.”

Since the PLA statement refers to Monday, it is not clear whether it refers to the same operation as the
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statement, or to a retaliatory operation that the Indian Army might have chosen to remain silent about.

The Pangong sector has been bitterly contested since the PLA trespassed across the LAC here in mid-May. The bulk of the Chinese force occupied the lake’s northern bank, up to a point called Finger 4. Meanwhile, several hundred PLA soldiers climbed the hills that overlook Pangong lake from the north and entrenched themselves on a dominating height called Green Top, where they still remain.
Meanwhile, another 2,000 Chinese soldiers crossed the LAC into the Pangong lake’s south bank and began patrolling up to a mountain called Black Top, which adjoins Helmet Top and India’s important Thakung Post.
Both Black Top and Helmet Top are on India’s side of the LAC. The PLA’s occupation of both features has effectively shifted the LAC westwards, to China’s advantage.
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Sources on the ground say the PLA brought along enough building materials to Helmet Top to construct fortifications for three-four infantry companies (300-400 soldiers).
On the north bank of the Pangong lake, the PLA has shifted the LAC to its advantage by about eight kilometres, from Finger 8 to Finger 4. On the south bank, however, the strongly held Thakung post – which has a mixed garrison of army soldiers and Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) troopers – continues to dominate the Pangong lake’s southern bank and observe Chinese activity on the lake and even on the north bank.
India has reinforced Eastern Ladakh strongly and there is anger amongst soldiers and young officers at what they perceive as Chinese perfidy. Many are convinced
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is maintaining the pretence of dialogue and negotiations in order to create the opportunity to occupy more Indian territory.
“The Indian Army is committed to maintaining peace and tranquillity through dialogue, but is also equally determined to protect its territorial integrity,” stated the army tersely on Monday.
Even as the PLA’s continuing aggression in Pangong hogs the spotlight, senior Indian planners apprehend this might be a Chinese ploy to divert attention from Depsang, in Northern Ladakh, which might be China’s actual target.
Depsang offers the shortest and easiest route for Indian armoured columns to reach the strategic Tibet-Xinjiang road (Highway G219), the security of which is Beijing’s core sensitive in this area. PLA intrusions 15 kilometres into the Depsang sector have currently blocked Indian patrols’ routes to the LAC.
The Chinese are also clinging to advantageous positions they occupied in the Hot Spring – Gogra area. Despite an agreed withdrawal plan, the PLA is refusing to withdraw from a dominating hill feature its soldiers have occupied in the vicinity of India’s Gogra Post.

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tamsen_ikard

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LMAO this has been up for more than 20 minutes and no one's responded. This is the most boring war ever.

Seeing lots of tweets about shots being fired. Finally its starting!!

Excited to see PLA in action after 30+ years. All the quiet development for decades. Its time to show results PLA.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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Shots fired when? Where? By whom? Is it from the 29/30 or 31 or is the supposed firefight ongoing as we speak?
 

KenC

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From the tone of this GT article, the PLA is unlikely to hold back against the Indian side.

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China’s Western Theatre Command said Monday evening that Indian troops once again illegally crossed the Line of Actual Control near the south bank of the Pangong Lake and Reqin mountain pass on Monday, a blatant provocative move that seriously infringed on China’s territorial sovereignty, and undermined the peace and stability in the China-India border area. Earlier in the day, India, who first moved to accuse China of carrying out “provocative military movements,” said it preempted Chinese military activity.

The word “preempt” shows it was the Indian troops that first took destructive actions, and the Indian troops initiated the standoff this time.
 

Xizor

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China occupied two hills is not actually disinformation. It came from one of the most reliable Indian observers on the ground, Ajaj Shukla, who has active connections with the IA. The claim that India breached the LAC at Pangong was from the Chinese foreign ministry itself.
Shots fired when? Where? By whom? Is it from the 29/30 or 31 or is the supposed firefight ongoing as we speak?
It seems like the exchange is actively taking place south of Pangong Tso.
 

Xizor

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I also noticed the use of the word "pre-empt ". Seems like they pre-empted basing from Thakung post eastward.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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It seems like the exchange is actively taking place south of Pangong Tso.
Makes sense (if this is even true), China must forcefully repel the Indian incursion south of Pangong. Where are you tracking these developments? If by tweets, could you link some accounts?
 

Xizor

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A senior government official told The Hindu that from
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there had been a systematic mobilisation by the Chinese troops along the undefined LAC.

The official revealed that in
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, from patrolling point 10-13, the scale of Chinese control of India’s perception of the LAC stood at about 900 sq.km.

About 20 sq. km in
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and 12 sq. km in Hot Springs area is said to be under Chinese occupation, the official said. In Pangong Tso, the area under Chinese control is 65 sq. km, whereas in Chushul it is 20 sq. km, the official said.

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Xizor

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Makes sense (if this is even true), China must forcefully repel the Indian incursion south of Pangong. Where are you tracking these developments? If by tweets, could you link some accounts?
Go to Twitter and just skim through hashtags #LAC
#LOC
 
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