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Waqar Khan

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Folks,here is a link to Strategy Paper published in The National Interest Magazine,which suggest an all out Global Hybrid war against China in coming days and years,the Chinese Security community must read it thoroughly.The war has already commenced in trade and commerce and current sanctions against 11 Chinese Companies is a case in point.While the paper is full of bombast,sleaze attacks and rhetoric,it fails to address challenges being faced by the US led block.With US debt crossing 26 trillion dollars and EU splitting along populists right wing politics,there are less chances of rallying for the dream list preferred in this paper.India is prominently figuring in this report as the linchpin in Asia.the writers forgot that India is a member of SCO and BRICS and her joining the anti Eurasian block will affect her presence in these global forums.
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Folks,here is a link to Strategy Paper published in The National Interest Magazine,which suggest an all out Global Hybrid war against China in coming days and years,the Chinese Security community must read it thoroughly.The war has already commenced in trade and commerce and current sanctions against 11 Chinese Companies is a case in point.While the paper is full of bombast,sleaze attacks and rhetoric,it fails to address challenges being faced by the US led block.With US debt crossing 26 trillion dollars and EU splitting along populists right wing politics,there are less chances of rallying for the dream list preferred in this paper.India is prominently figuring in this report as the linchpin in Asia.the writers forgot that India is a member of SCO and BRICS and her joining the anti Eurasian block will affect her presence in these global forums.
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Which refers back to the root question, why should the entire world be destabilised just because US is unwilling to see herself being No.2?
I wonder if it ever crosses the mind of those policy planners in the US State Dept whether the world will continue to uphold their parts under US-led world order if the required cost to sustain US hegemony is no longer to their interest.

Listen to what Mr. Lee Hsien Loong, PM of Singapore said some time back.
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“America First means you do the best for the United States,” Lee said in Davos, Switzerland, while attending the World Economic Forum. “So do you do the best by prospering in the world and there are other countries who are doing well, or do your best by being a big country in a troubled world? And I’m not sure that the second is a very good answer.”
 

Waqar Khan

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Which refers back to the root question, why should the entire world be destabilised just because US is unwilling to see herself being No.2?
I wonder if it ever crosses the mind of those policy planners in the US State Dept whether the world will continue to uphold their parts under US-led world order if the required cost to sustain US hegemony is no longer to their interest.

Listen to what Mr. Lee Hsien Loong, PM of Singapore said some time back.
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Well said,the world must realize that power shift is a historical reality and frustrated strategy of US may not work,practically
 

Waqar Khan

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There is a need to discuss the issue of India towing the line of US and trying to build a fake narrative against China.Our syndicate analysis of Indian media Assault on China was published in Russian magazine today,some food for thought.
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During the current standoff, Indian media has gone into overdrive against China. Indian media along with political leadership, veterans, intellectuals and opinion makers have coined a sophisticated assault on China through eight narratives tabulated below:

  • Chinese military incursions are one sided.
  • Taking a cue from US Secretary of State Pompeo, Indian media has also started segregating Chinese people from Chinese leadership, this sounds familiar as same ploy was used by US against Iraq, Libya, Ukraine, Syria and even Iran.
  • India is trying to woe the states on periphery of China, especially around South China Sea.
  • The banning of Chinese goods and applications are being promulgates as Modi’s Digital Strike against China, Huawei is being stigmatized through absurd logic of ‘Clean’ and ‘Unclean’ technology.
  • Despite Chinese transparency and help extended to entire globe against Covid 19, India is echoing the narrative driven by the west.
  • Indian media is also trying to build a fake narrative on Hong Kong and Tibet.
  • The countries joining Chinese Belt and Road and CPEC in initiatives are being reminded of Chinese debt trap.
  • Since Indian loss of face in Ladakh is being discussed by South Asian nations like Pakistan and Nepal, Indian media is portraying them as paid stooges of China.

Signaling to Indo Pacific allies:

India has been seeking Indo Pacific alliance, which not only threatens China but also goes against the spirit of SCO and Eurasian dream. While India desires that no regional country on her periphery should forms any block, she is posing herself as Asia Pivot to affect strategic interests of countries like China, Pakistan and even Russian Federation.

In Quad, other than India, all are extra regional nations, who have directly or indirectly colonized other nations in the past. Why India, a formal British colony, would bandwagon with colonial masters of the past.

Why Indian narrative is a smoke screen:

In Feb 2019, after Pakistan shot down two Indian fighter Jets and captured a pilot, Indian media and politico military leadership resorted to same damage control that we witness after Ladakh blunder. An impression is being created that Indian military had done a tremendous job. International community has realized that most of Indian media is doing an absurd propaganda, we labeled it as ‘Republic of Absurdity’.
In a recent video, Arnab Goswami of Republic TV came up with the same logic of ‘Digital Strike’ which has surprised and paralyzed China. International media was quick to pick up the ‘Digital strike’ mantra and made fun of it.

Indian media exploiting its connection with the western media:

Indian media has found an eager support from her western partners and is trying to build a narrative of a coalition of willing nations who will corner China, militarily and economically. Our assessment is that it is part of the Western hybrid war against China and India is the new Kid on the Block.

Other side of the story that is not being discussed in Indian Media:

As highlighted by Global times on 6 Jul, China has not changed the status quo. Beijing has strictly abided by the agreements reached with New Delhi. It was the Indian troops that severely departed from the consensus, crossed the Line of Actual Control (LAC), provoked and attacked Chinese soldiers. Even Modi said that China did not enter Indian territory.

We had previously highlighted that India has a historical and consistent record of bad behaviour and creating border disputes with all its neighbors. India absorbed Hyderabad Deccan, Sikkim, Goa and Junagarh. It illegally occupies part of Jammu and Kashmir and Nagaland. It has fought wars with Pakistan and China and militarily intervened in Sri Lanka and Maldives. India has also stationed permanent forces in Bhutan, and has water disputes with Bangladesh, Nepal and Pakistan.

The Indian Army is demoralized and there is a growing call for Rajnath Singh, Ajit Doval, CDS, Army Chief, Commander Northern Command and Commander 14 Corps to step down, as they not only slept on the standoff but also failed to manage the military situation.
Modi’s government is pushed by RSS hawks and abrogation of Article 35A and 370 has created suspicion in China and Pakistan about Indian intentions in Aksai Chin and adjoining part of Kashmir. India directly threatened to attack Azad Kashmir and Gilgit Baltistan, thus threatening CPEC and Chinese vital interests in Pakistan.

We leave it to the readers to draw their conclusions about who is threatening the regional peace.
 

Kunal Biswas

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If i am not wrong, IAF got 400 R-27EA far back as 2012..

EA variant which has the same range of 130km as that of Ukrainian R-27ER1 but the key difference between both the missile is 'EA' has Integrated a modified R-77 active radar seeker..

GUOBlFO.jpg


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Further, would add that integration of foreign missile was prohibited by OEM,

though integration of Indian system is allowed only.

What PL-15 does is that it changes tactical deployment because of the expanded envelope that such a threat might present. Additionally, the ASRAAM is being prepared for service with the SU-30 MKI.

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Finally, if I am correct most Chinese planes including the J-11's MAWS are still UV based. That will be a problem when pitted against modern AAM.
 

BoggedDown

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The Indian media and diplomats are conveniently hiding the fact that the root cause of the recent border clash is abrogation of Article 35A and 370 to change unilaterally the status of disputed region of Jammy & Kashmir and Ladakh to be union territory. Moreover hurling threats from ruling BJP leaders and military generals even in parliament and media to snatch Azad Jammu Kashmir from Pakistan and Aksai Chin from China. Indian ruling class thought with increasing US support and backing they can change the status queue In Himalaya.

China should be careful of not trusting Indian sweet talking of peace and tranquility (of no kinetic action meaning no active military operation or gun firing) in Himalayan regions. As Himalaya is the weakest link of Indian defense, China should not give this luxury to India. With Indo-Pacific strategy and quad, India can put formidable obstacle for China in trade and military operation through India ocean and Malacca straight as well as in South China sea, at least that is plan of USA. So to compensate it China should put more pressure on Indian in Himalyan and North East region by actively supporting secession and separatism in Kashmir, Assam, Nagaland, Mizoram etc and try to cut India in sizes. This will keep India busy with internal issues rather than advancing China Containment policy.
 

plawolf

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If i am not wrong, IAF got 400 R-27EA far back as 2012..

EA variant which has the same range of 130km as that of Ukrainian R-27ER1 but the key difference between both the missile is 'EA' has Integrated a modified R-77 active radar seeker..

GUOBlFO.jpg


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Further, would add that integration of foreign missile was prohibited by OEM,

though integration of Indian system is allowed only.

400 missiles between 250 fighters. That’s not even enough for 2 missiles per fighter, assuming none of the 400 missiles were used in testing or training in the years since. Case in point on how under prepared the Indian military is for an actual fight.
 

SpicySichuan

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There is a need to discuss the issue of India towing the line of US and trying to build a fake narrative against China.Our syndicate analysis of Indian media Assault on China was published in Russian magazine today,some food for thought.
The complete article with link is posted here:
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!


During the current standoff, Indian media has gone into overdrive against China. Indian media along with political leadership, veterans, intellectuals and opinion makers have coined a sophisticated assault on China through eight narratives tabulated below:

  • Chinese military incursions are one sided.
  • Taking a cue from US Secretary of State Pompeo, Indian media has also started segregating Chinese people from Chinese leadership, this sounds familiar as same ploy was used by US against Iraq, Libya, Ukraine, Syria and even Iran.
  • India is trying to woe the states on periphery of China, especially around South China Sea.
  • The banning of Chinese goods and applications are being promulgates as Modi’s Digital Strike against China, Huawei is being stigmatized through absurd logic of ‘Clean’ and ‘Unclean’ technology.
  • Despite Chinese transparency and help extended to entire globe against Covid 19, India is echoing the narrative driven by the west.
  • Indian media is also trying to build a fake narrative on Hong Kong and Tibet.
  • The countries joining Chinese Belt and Road and CPEC in initiatives are being reminded of Chinese debt trap.
  • Since Indian loss of face in Ladakh is being discussed by South Asian nations like Pakistan and Nepal, Indian media is portraying them as paid stooges of China.

Signaling to Indo Pacific allies:

India has been seeking Indo Pacific alliance, which not only threatens China but also goes against the spirit of SCO and Eurasian dream. While India desires that no regional country on her periphery should forms any block, she is posing herself as Asia Pivot to affect strategic interests of countries like China, Pakistan and even Russian Federation.

In Quad, other than India, all are extra regional nations, who have directly or indirectly colonized other nations in the past. Why India, a formal British colony, would bandwagon with colonial masters of the past.

Why Indian narrative is a smoke screen:

In Feb 2019, after Pakistan shot down two Indian fighter Jets and captured a pilot, Indian media and politico military leadership resorted to same damage control that we witness after Ladakh blunder. An impression is being created that Indian military had done a tremendous job. International community has realized that most of Indian media is doing an absurd propaganda, we labeled it as ‘Republic of Absurdity’.
In a recent video, Arnab Goswami of Republic TV came up with the same logic of ‘Digital Strike’ which has surprised and paralyzed China. International media was quick to pick up the ‘Digital strike’ mantra and made fun of it.

Indian media exploiting its connection with the western media:

Indian media has found an eager support from her western partners and is trying to build a narrative of a coalition of willing nations who will corner China, militarily and economically. Our assessment is that it is part of the Western hybrid war against China and India is the new Kid on the Block.

Other side of the story that is not being discussed in Indian Media:

As highlighted by Global times on 6 Jul, China has not changed the status quo. Beijing has strictly abided by the agreements reached with New Delhi. It was the Indian troops that severely departed from the consensus, crossed the Line of Actual Control (LAC), provoked and attacked Chinese soldiers. Even Modi said that China did not enter Indian territory.

We had previously highlighted that India has a historical and consistent record of bad behaviour and creating border disputes with all its neighbors. India absorbed Hyderabad Deccan, Sikkim, Goa and Junagarh. It illegally occupies part of Jammu and Kashmir and Nagaland. It has fought wars with Pakistan and China and militarily intervened in Sri Lanka and Maldives. India has also stationed permanent forces in Bhutan, and has water disputes with Bangladesh, Nepal and Pakistan.

The Indian Army is demoralized and there is a growing call for Rajnath Singh, Ajit Doval, CDS, Army Chief, Commander Northern Command and Commander 14 Corps to step down, as they not only slept on the standoff but also failed to manage the military situation.
Modi’s government is pushed by RSS hawks and abrogation of Article 35A and 370 has created suspicion in China and Pakistan about Indian intentions in Aksai Chin and adjoining part of Kashmir. India directly threatened to attack Azad Kashmir and Gilgit Baltistan, thus threatening CPEC and Chinese vital interests in Pakistan.

We leave it to the readers to draw their conclusions about who is threatening the regional peace.
I wonder what Russia's stance would be if large number of Su-30MKIs were annihilated by J-20s and J-16s using PL-15. On the ground, the enhanced 105mm round from the Type 15 easily penetrate the frontal armors of the T-90S. That would be a slap in the face for the Russian armament industry, as more of their businesses could be "stolen" by their Chinese competitors around the world. If India were to lose, it would also symbolize that the Chinese conventional armament industry has surpassed those of its former big brother.
 
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