Ladakh Flash Point

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Mohsin77

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Below was posted on mitbbs claiming to be based on an internal Chinese report on how the Ladakh situation developed over May and June as well as the current status.

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This doesn't look like a reliable source... more like a tabloid rumour mill.

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siegecrossbow

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This doesn't look like a reliable source... more like a tabloid rumour mill.

It's front page article right now:
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They used the same google earth photo to prove that there was structural problems with the Three Gorges Dam in 2019!
 

Inst

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Nowhere did I say that the number of personnel is the main determination of military strength.

You stated that the EU was only an economic power, and that the EU needed to embrace Russia to become a military power.

I gave you some metrics on active personnel and military spending.
This illustrates the point that the EU is already a bigger military power than Russia
For example, the EU has military spending some 4x larger than Russia.

That completely blows away your argument for the EU needing Russia, if the EU wants to be a military power.



Please have a look at my posts in the Ukraine thread, where I looked at Russia-EU relations extensively.

And I am looking at 30 year timescales in the future when I say Russia will never give up its independence willingly.

Today's Russia is just the latest successor to the USSR and Imperial Russia before it.
That is over 400 years of history where the Russian sense of being a great and huge empire has been embedded into the psyche of its people and culture.

Anyway, back on topic.

Except that typical EU defense spending is around 2% of GDP, compared to 4% in Russia and 3.5% in the United States.

Moreover, the EU does not even have an alliance military. What it has is NATO, which is apart from the EU.

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As far as Russian independence goes, most of the European Cold War was an attempt by Russia to capture Western Europe and move it into its sphere of influence. The prospect of Russia having the EU countries be allied or aligned with it, or Russia trying to be Primus Inter Pares in the EU, is basically the old Soviet dream come to life.

As mentioned before, the devil is in the details and it could take up to 50 years for these devils to be handled.

However, if we look at the past 10 years, Russia has moved far closer to it, even despite the Ukraine debacle. First, Britain, a key US ally, has decided to leave the EU. That's very good for Russia, because Britain is one of the things keeping them out and Britain could be viewed as an ABCA saboteur in the EU network. Brexit, likewise, was heavily supported by Russian agents.

Second, the Russians put a lot of support into getting Trump elected. Trump has done Russia the favor of completely battering American alliance ties with the EU, allowing ideas like Macron's EU-Russia partnership to get off the ground.

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Basically, the Russians do not have a small power / satellite power mentality. They will not be content being little more than a Chinese or American satellite. The European choice for Russia allows Russia to be a full member, and the most powerful single member, in the 3rd most powerful economic bloc on this planet. The rewards are extremely tempting.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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Except that typical EU defense spending is around 2% of GDP, compared to 4% in Russia and 3.5% in the United States.
It's not helping your position to point this out. The EU still manages to have 4x Russia's military spending while spending half as much as a percentage of GDP. Who's got the room to escalate spending here?
Moreover, the EU does not even have an alliance military.
It certainly does, European militaries have high interoperability thanks to NATO. All that's needed for an EU military alliance is the major governments of the EU signing a new document; the interoperability and compatibility is there from their time in NATO.
The prospect of Russia having the EU countries be allied or aligned with it, or Russia trying to be Primus Inter Pares in the EU, is basically the old Soviet dream come to life.
They will not be content being little more than a Chinese or American satellite.
What people dream of and what they'll be content with are two very different things. I dream of owning a fleet of Lambos and Rolls-Royces, yet I somehow content myself with less. Russia will do the same.
The European choice for Russia allows Russia to be a full member
Where's this "European choice" for Russia? You think countries like France and Germany are going to say "sure, Russia, come in and lord over us" even if America was out of the picture?
 

Nobonita Barua

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Now you are pulling straight out of your ass with those numbers. Casualties are more than what CCP can admit and trying to make look PLA a paper tiger like monster. Single child soldiers army cannot afford war . Right now CCP is in propganda mode to claim victory to show something for ill advised attempt .
Ya but casualties aren't "that much" to make your superpower boss US to bomb chinese artificial island. Doesnt seem they are very inspired by your performance.
And for single child army, can your vegan rat breeding airmy can afford a war?
Well as your well wisher i lobbied for your airmy the other day in an american defense forum to show them how little vegan shuper powaaarr you are & why US should take lesson from ultra veg power India.
They don't seem impressed, instead advised you to concentrate on sanitation. And they aren't very impressed with your democracy either.
They are so rude & arrogant :'(
 

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ougoah

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This is from an Indian defence analyst talking about Ladakh's new "buffer zone" where India agreed to China's terms in diplomatic discussions after military ones made Indian policymakers acutely aware of their gap in military capability. India knew from the start that military engagement was never a real option.

Note that all the noise is coming from India's side including this.

 

backwindow

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Now you are pulling straight out of your ass with those numbers. Casualties are more than what CCP can admit and trying to make look PLA a paper tiger like monster. Single child soldiers army cannot afford war . Right now CCP is in propganda mode to claim victory to show something for ill advised attempt .
Let's just ignore the troll.
 

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This is from an Indian defence analyst talking about Ladakh's new "buffer zone" where India agreed to China's terms in diplomatic discussions after military ones made Indian policymakers acutely aware of their gap in military capability. India knew from the start that military engagement was never a real option.

Note that all the noise is coming from India's side including this.



Does it really matter? It's all important for the Indians to be able to save face here. Through their media, we've seen exactly how touchy they are and willing to engage in self-destructive acts; it reminds me of May Fourth where the entire sequence of Japanese military imperialism was triggered by Chinese boycotts. If China wasn't a market for the Japanese, China became instead a target to conquer.

The best case scenario is still that all three sides negotiate a permanent border demarcation, perhaps with the return of Siachen to Pakistan, because the whole South India region is strategically worthless to China.

First, the border connections across the Himalayas, no matter how hard China tries, are going to be garbage. Second, India can't pose a valid threat to China because the Chinese control Tibet and have tons of ballistic missiles, including missiles that can blow up InN ships trying to interdict Chinese shipping. Third, China's main area of concern is East Asia, which has traditionally been China's sphere of influence.

I mean, you can jerk off about helping Pakistan retake Kashmir, but it's an extremely difficult matter given the Indian tank mass and the fact that except for Kashmir, the Indo-Pakistan border is tank territory.
 
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