Ladakh Flash Point

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jfy1155

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CCTV has released photographic evidence of Indian incursion. If the Indian media keep up with their b.s. then maybe we might be lucky enough to get video footage of the 6/15 confrontation :D.
Remember back in May when India released a short video of them beating 1 Chinese soldier then China responded with a picture of 5 Indian soldiers tied up, wounded, and captured. I really want to see videos and pictures of the 60 captured Indian soldiers. 50 Indian soldiers were released a day later and 10 more were released 3 days later.
 

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Remember back in May when India released a short video of them beating 1 Chinese soldier then China responded with a picture of 5 Indian soldiers tied up, wounded, and captured. I really want to see videos and pictures of the 60 captured Indian soldiers. 50 Indian soldiers were released a day later and 10 more were released 3 days later.

They probably won’t release it until war is inevitable. China is still trying to deescalate right now.
 

ougoah

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They probably won’t release it until war is inevitable. China is still trying to deescalate right now.

LAC now settled it seems. Indian aggression shown by CCP yesterday with various satellite and drone footage showing their allegedly 2019-April 2020 build up on the Galwan side. The Indians started building up in Chinese claimed parts including a helipad. Indian aggression on LAC checked and their recent buildups removed and their troops have gone back to the now mutually agreed "buffer zone" border lines. No idea yet on whether the PP14 and Finger 4 border lines are settled yet since neither side have issued any official statements. Indian Today busy writing articles about how the US has promised India back up which is again shamelessly fake news. These clowns are unbelievable how far they go with their fake news. The US has literally made zero official announcements about backing India up in any potential escalation. Anyway no point backing India when India's already agreed to China's terms on the LAC side.

The Arunachal Pradesh/ Bhutan side seems to be getting more interesting but could all just be rumours and fake news mill from India and elsewhere making mountains out of molehills again. China's totally silent on Bhutan/AP disputes with India but the current rumour on China being in discussions with Bhutan may have some merit and may be aimed at opening a front up there. Bhakts have their heads so deep and firmly in the sand telling each other about Bihar's mighty 100 PLA kill count lol. Moderate Indians are asking Modi some hard questions he's totally avoiding lol nice accountability and democracy there. A democracy is bad enough, a dysfunctional democracy will kill the host nation sooner rather than later, unless it is able to invade, kill, and enslave its way to the top and remain there like some of the "successful" democracies.
 

Inst

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When have I ever said the Indian Armed Forces are superior to the Chinese Armed Forces?

Entire point is that if you only look at men under arms, the Indian Army should be superior to the Chinese Army. But it's not, so using total personnel is an unfair comparison.

I strongly suggest you read up on "EU-Russia alliance". It seems to have been Macron's big idea, and while it's obvious that there are many impediments to such a thing happening, it's not a wholly impossible notion, especially if you're talking in 30 year timescales as I am.
 

AndrewS

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Entire point is that if you only look at men under arms, the Indian Army should be superior to the Chinese Army. But it's not, so using total personnel is an unfair comparison.

Nowhere did I say that the number of personnel is the main determination of military strength.

You stated that the EU was only an economic power, and that the EU needed to embrace Russia to become a military power.

I gave you some metrics on active personnel and military spending.
This illustrates the point that the EU is already a bigger military power than Russia
For example, the EU has military spending some 4x larger than Russia.

That completely blows away your argument for the EU needing Russia, if the EU wants to be a military power.

I strongly suggest you read up on "EU-Russia alliance". It seems to have been Macron's big idea, and while it's obvious that there are many impediments to such a thing happening, it's not a wholly impossible notion, especially if you're talking in 30 year timescales as I am.

Please have a look at my posts in the Ukraine thread, where I looked at Russia-EU relations extensively.

And I am looking at 30 year timescales in the future when I say Russia will never give up its independence willingly.

Today's Russia is just the latest successor to the USSR and Imperial Russia before it.
That is over 400 years of history where the Russian sense of being a great and huge empire has been embedded into the psyche of its people and culture.

Anyway, back on topic.
 

weig2000

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Below was posted on mitbbs claiming to be based on an internal Chinese report on how the Ladakh situation developed over May and June as well as the current status.

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I don't know if this is a real official document or not, but man, it makes so much sense! It pretty much connects all the dots that we have observed over the last 2-3 months.

What the Chinese side has done in terms of CCTV-4 program and this inside briefing are also consistent with Chinese practice. As such, I deem it is quite trustworthy, at least much of the information in it.
 

Rustom

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Rustom is pulling numbers and "facts" out of his ass here. Facts are the USN has not been aggressive or shot at Chinese in SCS once. It's all posturing from the US and something China ignores but prepares for i.e. SCS island chains acting as forward operating bases in case the US decide shooting is now in their best interest.

Another friendly fact is at least 20 IA soldiers with their heads busted open and at least 40 captured who were returned on multiple occasions, with PLA clearly sitting in Indian claimed land for three months without challenge from Jai Hind army, holding IA by the balls. Everything else is bhakt wishful thinking and imagination. The 20 killed and 40 returned is reported and verified by Indian government and military officials. Not from Chinese side. Indian media however has plenty of "anonymous sources" claiming some crazy shit.

Another fact, PLA was and probably still is holding half of the lands India claims along the Kashmir side of the LAC. Again undisputed and verified by Indian officials except for Modi not counting those claims as part of Indian territory - such a coward loser.

Whether the latest diplomatic talks have settled these land claim issues remain to be seen. India clearly can only agree to China's terms and so it can only make a fuss economically and ban a couple of dozen apps. Bhaksts burning Chinese flags as well lol does that seem like the actions of a magnanimous winner who "raped" the PLA? They're currently agreeing to China's terms and conditions on the border issue and 99% likely have ceded territory. PLA may move back once India quietly agrees to the changed border which will be settled after this Indian media will claim no more trouble, PLA moved back, but fail to report on how Indian government formally settled this border dispute in China's favour.

Pangong already has a newly constructed radar site and PLA will slowly stop patrolling up to the very edges of its new territory.
Now you are pulling straight out of your ass with those numbers. Casualties are more than what CCP can admit and trying to make look PLA a paper tiger like monster. Single child soldiers army cannot afford war . Right now CCP is in propganda mode to claim victory to show something for ill advised attempt .
 

manqiangrexue

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Now you are pulling straight out of your ass with those numbers. Casualties are more than what CCP can admit and trying to make look PLA a paper tiger like monster. Single child soldiers army cannot afford war . Right now CCP is in propganda mode to claim victory to show something for ill advised attempt .
CCP has land gains in Ladakh and 50+ Indian POWs to show. What does India have? 20 of its own dead, stories that conflict each other and empty claims ranging from 5 to hundreds of PLA "casualties" with not so much as a Chinese tooth or finger to show for it. LOL
 
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