Ladakh Flash Point

FairAndUnbiased said:

India is unable to do this due to domestic politics. It is more likely to start a fight than to end one.

base on their obsessive behavior with regard to Galwan 2020 (a skirmish that they lost), if defeated decisively they will not give up. Instead they will likely start a "stabbed in the back" myth just like Adolf Hitler, start putting fascists in power, persecute minorities that they blame for defeat, and launch a devastating war.

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Mohsin77 said:

Societies which respect power would've booted Modi out of office in 2019, let alone 2020 Ladakh.

But Modi got re-elected and his popularity actually went up after both defeats.

I think they respect fiction more than power.

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reservior dogs said:

Yes, Democracy is perhaps the worst system for India. They would have made much more progress as a more centralized government. It would also allow them to behave more rationally.

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Sardaukar20 said:

Agree. China has been trying to negotiate with India since the 1950s. What India did all these time was: 1962 war, supporting Tibetan separatism, border skirmishes, Doklam standoff, abrogation of Article 370, and the 2020 Galwan cowardly ambush.

If India can flip flop on sending delegates to the Olympics. How can you take its word with border negotiations? India does not have a border dispute with Myanmar. But yet is currently supporting Chin state terrorist separatists in Myanmar. How could any Asian neighbours trust India?

China talking to India for 70 years have not yielded anything positive. India is still treating China like an enemy, and is being racist against the Chinese people. India is due for an ass whooping someday.

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Kaeshmiri said:

Na they do respect power but how do you gauge power? Well that's by observation and analysis .The latter requires intelligence which is not present in everyone but the former requires nothing. Do you know why Modi is so popular? Just observe Indian media and you'll realize that. -

When Modi visited US they showed how America is in awe of him.
When Galwan took place. They showed how India killed 50+ PLA soldiers in return. That he was the only leader to inflict damage on PLA which even Trump couldn't do.
When India withdrew from RCEP they showed how Modi resisted global pressure to protect farmers.
When Modi held the recent Central Asia conference they showed how he has beat Xi at his own game
When Modi banned Chinese apps they showed how India was the first country to do so and now even Trump is inspired and wants to follow in his footsteps and ban Tiktok, Wechat.
During Balkot they showed how Indian surgical strikes killed 300 terrorists in Pak.
And i can go on and on.

Imagine being bombarded with such propaganda on a daily basis. Ofcorse the average Indian will think that Modi is a Macho man and has transformed India into a global superpower.

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Kaeshmiri said:

Na they do respect power but how do you gauge power? Well that's by observation and analysis .The latter requires intelligence which is not present in everyone but the former requires nothing. Do you know why Modi is so popular? Just observe Indian media and you'll realize that. -

When Modi visited US they showed how America is in awe of him.
When Galwan took place. They showed how India killed 50+ PLA soldiers in return. That he was the only leader to inflict damage on PLA which even Trump couldn't do.
When India withdrew from RCEP they showed how Modi resisted global pressure to protect farmers.
When Modi held the recent Central Asia conference they showed how he has beat Xi at his own game
When Modi banned Chinese apps they showed how India was the first country to do so and now even Trump is inspired and wants to follow in his footsteps and ban Tiktok, Wechat.
During Balkot they showed how Indian surgical strikes killed 300 terrorists in Pak.
And i can go on and on.

Imagine being bombarded with such propaganda on a daily basis. Ofcorse the average Indian will think that Modi is a Macho man and has transformed India into a global superpower.

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reservior dogs said:

Back in 62, after defeating the Indians, the Chinese took all the land they wanted. They were being quite strategic when they did that. If you look at the current border, with the exception of a couple of places near Aksai Chin, where the land used to belong to Pakistan but were taken later by India, the Chinese have taken all the high plateau and leaving the mountainous regions to India. If a future war happen, the Chinese will also take this bit of the high plateau, and maybe return some of it back to Pakistan.

The border terrain means however many troops India station in the area, they can only defend and not attack. There is simply no possibility of human wave attack if you can't even supply food and water once large number of troops reach the high plateau area. The Chinese just have to wait a couple of days and the Indian army would be forced to either surrender or return to where they came from due to shortage of basic needs such as water. They are even having problem supplying the troops where they are today due to road closures and such. If push comes to shove, the Chinese can always bomb a few bridges and blow ups some roads, bomb their supply depot. Hundreds of thousands of troops stranded near AP with no food and ammo.

Judging from their last skirmish with Pakistan, they are even afraid of the Pakistanis. However much turmoil inside of India, they won't start a serious war with either Pakistan or China anytime soon. They might pick a small fight as a political distraction, but that is just theater, not war.

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Bellum_Romanum said:

Indians are posting this online as proof of the PLA incurring more death than reported. What's the story here

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Bellum_Romanum said:

Indians are posting this online as proof of the PLA incurring more death than reported. What's the story here

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reservior dogs said:

Once upon a time, China was eager to settle borders with neighbors. At this point, I don't think there is much impetus to do so. Thinking of it, I don't think China would even settle with India without some sort of settlement with respect to Pakistan. If, after the settlement with China, India turn her full attention on fighting Pakistan, that would jeopardize the Belts and Roads initiative. In that sense, the current situation suits China just fine. It is up to India to make the settlement worth while.

In the future, maybe a decade or two, when the U.S. retreats from the first, then second island chains, the opportunity to settle the border with China would be lost. When the U.S. realize we are destined to be number two in two decades, it would be the U.S. that would seek to break up India to prevent a challenger to our number two position. If, at that time, India is still antagonistic towards China, the U.S. will have the acquiescence from China to break up India.

Sometimes you miss an opportunity, events can turn significantly worse down the road.

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