Korean War 70 years later Win Lose and A draw

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
So you're basically conceding that the UN had no legitimacy at the time.
That’s twisting to meet your own particular political mindset. It had the most legitimacy available at the time for any international body. Given that there were basically none. For you that means 0% or 100%.
The CCP was barely the established government. It was unknow if it would stabilize into one, some form of unification would take place or what eventually happened would take place.
I would say that The UN acting at the behest of the ROK had more legitimate rationthe PRC interjecting itself simply to enforce its own regional hegemony.
 

solarz

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That’s twisting to meet your own particular political mindset. It had the most legitimacy available at the time for any international body. Given that there were basically none. For you that means 0% or 100%.
The CCP was barely the established government. It was unknow if it would stabilize into one, some form of unification would take place or what eventually happened would take place.
I would say that The UN acting at the behest of the ROK had more legitimate rationthe PRC interjecting itself simply to enforce its own regional hegemony.

There's no such thing as 60% legitimacy. Either the UN has legitimacy or it doesn't.

By your logic, Saddam Hussein's envoy to the UN would have continued to be the legitimate representative of Iraq even after his government was toppled? Considering that the US blocked the UN from replacing the ROC representative until 1971, your argument that it was "only a year" doesn't hold any water.

The fact is, from 1949 to 1971, the UN was not a legitimate representative of world nations simply by the fact that it was preventing 1/4 of the world's population from having a voice.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
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In lieu of an abstract, here is a brief excerpt of the content:
Asian Perspective 40 (2016), 131-146 COMMENTARY A Chinese Admission of False Korean War Allegations of Biological Weapon Use by the United States Milton Leitenberg A LITTLE-REMEMBERED ASPECT OF KOREAN WAR HISTORY IS THE ALLEgation by North Korea, China, and the Soviet Union that the United States had used biological weapons on an enormous scale over both China and North Korea during the war. Despite the pub lic disclosure in 1998 of Soviet Central Committee documents declaring the allegations to have been fraudulent, China—and North Korea much more noisily—still maintains the charges. The issue is of great importance to those concerned with arms control and allegations of actual use of weapons of mass destruction. Those charges have now been refuted in a striking posthu mous publication written by Wu Zhili, who was Director of the Chinese People’s Volunteer Army Health Division during the Korean War. Wu wrote a brief memoir in September 1997 that was found among his papers after he died in 2008. It was pub lished in a Chinese journal only in November 2013; an English translation first became available in April 2015 (Wu 2013).1 In 1952, Wu was critically involved in the Chinese government’s manipulations that produced the Korean War biological weapons allegations. His own testimonial contains a second one as well, by Huang Kecheng, chief of staff of the Chinese Army during the Korean War and later secretary-general of the Central Military Commission. Wu Zhili’s testimonial overturns everything previ ously published in a Chinese source. In addition, the full text of the cable from Mao Zedong to Josef Stalin on February 21, 1952, recently published by Russia’s State Archive of Social and Politi cal History (RGASPI), sheds more light on China’s responsibility for the allegations. 131 132 A Chinese Admission of False Korean War Allegations The Charges Two years before the war began, Soviet propaganda charged that the United States was testing biological weapons (plague) against the native Inuit peoples ofAlaska. In Soviet reporting on the 1949 trial in Khabarovsk of participants in the Japanese World War II biological weapons program, Pravda stated that the United States was “preparing for new crimes against human ity,” as in biological warfare. Chinese broadcasts reported that the US government was collaborating with Lt. General Ishii Shiro, one of the major figures responsible for Japan’s use of biological weapons in China, ostensibly in preparation for sub sequent use of biological weapons by the United States against China. In March 1951, China charged that General Douglas MacArthur “is now engaged in large scale production of bacteri ological weapons for use against the Korean Army and people” (Leitenberg 1998, 188).2 The first allegations of biological weapons use by the United States were made on May 8, 1951. North Korea’s foreign minister claimed that the United States had used biological weapons between December 1950 and January 1951, and was spreading smallpox in North Korea. Chinese statements were made on March 14; May 19, 24, and 25; and June 22. Between March 5 and May 13, 1951, the Chinese government also charged on ten occasions that the United States was using chemical weapons in the Korean War. North Korean statements continued into July, and then also stopped. The major campaign alleging US biological weapons use, however, began on February 22, 1952. The North Korean foreign minister again issued an official statement addressed to the United Nations Secretariat, charging that the United States had made multiple air drops over his country in January and February of infected insects containing plague, cholera, and other diseases. Two days later, China’s foreign minister Zhou Enlai supported the North Korean charges and on March 8, expanded them to claim that the United States had sent 448 aircraft on no fewer than sixtyeight occasions between February 29 and March 5 to drop germ carrying insects over Northeast China. The charges increased for Milton Leitenberg 133 months to come, with Chinese news agencies reporting many thousands of US air sorties to drop biological agents over China and North Korea. Nevertheless, on no occasion did the Chinese or North Koreans claim to have shot down a US aircraft...


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Another long read.
In particular the claim of cholera is forgotten these days but was one of those levied back in the day. With the obvious problem that that is spread by infected water not by insects.
Others claimed were Anthrax, Smallpox and plague. Right now rural China has reported cases of the latter, in the last few years at least two outbreaks of Anthrax, and Smallpox wasn’t wiped out yet. Add in meningitis and these are common illnesses for the Third world today.
It was time of war with refugees mixing with soldiers regularly, poor weather and poor living conditions. Northern PRC and KPA were mixing and neither had great sanitation or food security. The PLA was a rural peasant army with people from across Rural China well the KPA was similarly a mix of drafted conscripts from north and south. Mixing all this together it’s a wonder there wasn’t outbreaks of disease.
 

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Another long read.
In particular the claim of cholera is forgotten these days but was one of those levied back in the day. With the obvious problem that that is spread by infected water not by insects.
Others claimed were Anthrax, Smallpox and plague. Right now rural China has reported cases of the latter, in the last few years at least two outbreaks of Anthrax, and Smallpox wasn’t wiped out yet. Add in meningitis and these are common illnesses for the Third world today.
It was time of war with refugees mixing with soldiers regularly, poor weather and poor living conditions. Northern PRC and KPA were mixing and neither had great sanitation or food security. The PLA was a rural peasant army with people from across Rural China well the KPA was similarly a mix of drafted conscripts from north and south. Mixing all this together it’s a wonder there wasn’t outbreaks of disease.

I grew up hearing about the Korean War from Chinese media. Never once have I ever heard about Americans using biological weapons. This is a straw man.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
I grew up hearing about the Korean War from Chinese media. Never once have I ever heard about Americans using biological weapons. This is a straw man.
Check the quote I posted.
It was more or less dropped by the 80s as a major claim by China with even members of the CCP stating it was period propaganda. The DPRK however keeps pushing it in their propaganda.
 

solarz

Brigadier
Check the quote I posted.
It was more or less dropped by the 80s as a major claim by China with even members of the CCP stating it was period propaganda. The DPRK however keeps pushing it in their propaganda.

Still not true. There were plenty of things written about the Korean War before the 80's, and I've never read or seen anything that referred to Americans using any biological weapons. In comparison, the use of biological weapons by the Japanese were well documented and widely publicized. Everyone has heard of Unit 731. Nobody has heard of Americans using biological weapons in Korea.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
The claims go back to the 1950s in fact during the war and get rehashed from time to time like @Appix just did. Heck the wiki entry even has a Chinese propaganda poster on it of that very thing.
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My post was it’s been debunked. Including by a key PRC of the time. I was expecting it to be rehashed. You can call it a straw man if you like but I wasn’t debating you I was pointing out the counter.
 

OppositeDay

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CCTV is airing a new Korean War documentary For Peace (《为了和平》) on its flagship channel CCTV-1's prime time slot.


 

Hendrik_2000

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At 10:50 the guy said Dean Acheson in secret meeting said they want to keep Taiwan separate from China That should rebut Max D guy who said America was ready to return Taiwan to China Yes big lie
 
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