Jianghu FFG transferred to Coast Guard?

joshuatree said:

That would make sense and I hope that be the case. Anything along the lines of a machine gun would seem pretty weak. While for the most part, I'm sure the CG will be used for day to day affairs such as rounding up criminal boats, I'm sure it may also be used in territorial issues like the gas fields or the Diaoyutai Islands.

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And i am sure that small arms fire from rifles and machine guns will definitely be provided by the sailors on board the ship. So I will not suspect they will lack small arms firepower. Besides i would suspect the smaller boats carried on the JiangHu Coast Guard ship is for boarding of criminal vessels, which means the sailors on board them must need rifles.
And it is also a fact that sailors on board submarines defend their vessel with rifles and machines because of the lack of a gun on the submarine. So i would suspect the gun mounted on the JiangHu coast guard ship must be bigger than any small arms because the sailors can already provide small arms fire. So something bigger and more intimidating, but not too scary to civilian criminal boats will be a logical choice.

A couple more pics of the Coast Guard conversion. Can anyone recognize the gun mount in the front?

Interesting, it looks like 1001 has a different exhaust stack compared to 1002?

Hi, new member. Just got back from my first China visit for business. Spent a couple of days in Shanghai then into the mainland. But was impressed with the ship activity. I volunteer with the USCG Auxiliary and do Safety Patrols and Vessel Safety Checks on the Mississippi River. It would be fun to visit the Chinese CG if they would let me. Anyone have any contacts/emails with them?

Steve

The original Jianghus were known for its bad design/ergonomics and not-the-best seaworthiness with the leaks as the Thai had saw. So, does anyone think this had been worked on during this refit? (Being just the Coast Guard, it is unlikely that it will be needed now when PLAN operated OK before w/ the bad design before.)

The main gun's stand looks really weak and I don't know if it will even support a 25mm gun. I was rather hoping for a 37mm or 57mm since these are the older calibers that PLA is phasing out(Not sure about 57mm, if someone confirm/reject this? But it's a powerful gun all right!) and have the a bigger punch and much better reach.

SteveJ said:

Hi, new member. Just got back from my first China visit for business. Spent a couple of days in Shanghai then into the mainland. But was impressed with the ship activity. I volunteer with the USCG Auxiliary and do Safety Patrols and Vessel Safety Checks on the Mississippi River. It would be fun to visit the Chinese CG if they would let me. Anyone have any contacts/emails with them?

Steve

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Hi Steve,

There's an active exchange program between PRC and US Coast Guard service, you might want to check with USCG to see if they have any info for you.

sumdud said:

The original Jianghus were known for its bad design/ergonomics and not-the-best seaworthiness with the leaks as the Thai had saw. So, does anyone think this had been worked on during this refit? (Being just the Coast Guard, it is unlikely that it will be needed now when PLAN operated OK before w/ the bad design before.)

The main gun's stand looks really weak and I don't know if it will even support a 25mm gun. I was rather hoping for a 37mm or 57mm since these are the older calibers that PLA is phasing out(Not sure about 57mm, if someone confirm/reject this? But it's a powerful gun all right!) and have the a bigger punch and much better reach.

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If you compare the before and after pictures, it looks like they did extensive work on the superstructure. The ships were originally transferred in Feb-March this year, so they had at least 3-4 months to work on it.

Someone posted a pic of the finished or near-finished #1002. It's looking really nice (see attachment), but the gun looks like this one:


Um... dual-25mm or 37mm? Doesn't sound very powerful unless if you're a smuggler on the receiving end. @_@

If you take a little survey around existing coastal guard patrol crafts you will notice that vast majority is armed usually with 40 mm Bofors or smaller guns.
Reasons for this are very simple. Even 12,7 mm machinegun fire is enough to either destroy or at least effectly disable small smuggler rafts and lauches and other usual civilian vessels used in illegal activities. A cannon size calibre eg 37-40 mm is more than enough for this task and its quite effective against bigger boat-sized vessels and even small ships. If I were a bootleg captain, I'd think again if I'm about to get 120 rounds per minute of 40 mm cannon shells against my boat and its valuable cargo.

Seccondly its down to the complexity of the gun-system. From current naval gun mouts almoust all western calibres above 40 mm requires mounted turret which takes valuable deck space from deep down to the ships interiors. Also they usually requires modern fire control radars and far more extensive and sophisticated training and maintenance. This cost money and as it really is not neccerical to such ships having such high level weapons its not anyway explainable in reasonable means. Some borderguard ships have 76 mm guns but those ships are ususally quite large already and are expected to serve in more "hotter" conditions in wartime.

So it's really pointless to cry if these new modifications of jianghu's have "only" several twin 37 mm guns...its just enough for them.

Mr_C said:

Well Coast Guard is not really for war fighting, its more like policing the coastline so therefore you don't want to blow anyone out of the water. So smaller weapons will be adequate for the job.
About stretching the dollar, wouldn't an aging hull effect the ships seaworthness?

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actually the chinese navy is poised for a bigger role !!

that is why they r leaving the trivial tasks like patrolling to the coast-guard

by the way chinese coast-guard is quite slick & modern



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adeptitus said:

Hi Steve,

There's an active exchange program between PRC and US Coast Guard service, you might want to check with USCG to see if they have any info for you.

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If you compare the before and after pictures, it looks like they did extensive work on the superstructure. The ships were originally transferred in Feb-March this year, so they had at least 3-4 months to work on it.

Someone posted a pic of the finished or near-finished #1002. It's looking really nice (see attachment), but the gun looks like this one:

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Um... dual-25mm or 37mm? Doesn't sound very powerful unless if you're a smuggler on the receiving end. @_@

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Thanks. Will probably pass this on up to District to see if they have an opinion on us civilians.

Steve

Here's a better pic of Coast Guard ship #1003, formally Jianghu-class #510 Shaoxing. The armaments on this ship appear to include a dual 37mm gun turret, 2 heavy machine guns in front, and 2 heavy machine guns or some sort of light cannon mount in the back.

The dual 37mm gun mount in front is very similar to the Type 61 AAA previously installed on this very ship. Behind the front gun, on the upper deck, I think those 2 long back things are probably heavy machine guns. In the rear, there's 2 gun mounts with single operator seats that look somewhat like these:


I think they look like the twin-14.5mm AAA found on the Type 25 Huchuan class torpedo boats:


All guns appear to be manually operated, and possibly "recycled' from older ships. Never the less, this is a good improvement to the Chinese Coast Guard Fleet, and an honorable retirement-service for a warship.