JH-7/JH-7A/JH-7B Thread

[TK3600]

Again, I beg to differ.
It's written like "一枚全重1810kg" with no space between “一枚” and “全重”. If there is a space between them, then sure, it means the whole case weight is 1810kg.

一枚全重1810kg

where does it say that?

枚 is covered up it cannot be read.

So until it is proven I will go with the first line of 1000kg laser guided bomb. And even if it was proven it still contradicts the first sentence.

 

[Jingle Bells]

一枚全重1810kg

where does it say that?

枚 is covered up it cannot be read.

So until it is proven I will go with the first line of 1000kg laser guided bomb. And even if it was proven it still contradicts the first sentence.

The exact character is largely covered for sure. But we can see clearly that that cover character is right next to "全重"，there is no space between the two word.

Now, you are welcomed to zoom in that character to see what that character could be. I have actually zoomed in to look at it. The options are not that many: 枚、箱、盒、套, etc. It certainly does NOT look like "箱", or "盒", or "套" (these three have the connotation to mean "including the box/set"). "枚", on the other hand, have the connotation that it's only talking about the munition itself. Unless if you can find another Chinese quantifier word that also has that same connotation as "箱", or "盒", or "套", I would stick by my skepticism.

 

[TK3600]

Doesn't matter, first sentence explicitely refer the munition as 1000kg. What ever the character is it is not addressed to solely the bomb.

 

[Jingle Bells]

Doesn't matter, first sentence explicitely refer the munition as 1000kg. What ever the character is it is not addressed to solely the bomb.

This is not the right thread to discuss this. If you would like to continue, I would prefer to continue in the PLAAF Munition II thread, instead. And I already sent you a conversation message regarding the context, with more details. Thanks.

 

[AndrewS]

I've been waiting for evidence of the PLA integrating new PGMs among in service aircraft for over a decade now.

We can always speculate about what the PLA isn't showing us, or what they may have in testing, but the most iron clad way of confirming a weapon is in service is seeing evidence of active in service frontlone aircraft carrying it across multiple different frontline units over time.


Anything less, and it is not particularly worth going "omg" over.


That's my own threshold, and it's worked for me pretty well.

My view is large numbers of unpowered PGMs launched by aircraft are no longer required due to drones.

For example, Shaheed-136 type drones only cost $20K with a range of 1000-2000km.

That cost is cheaper than any JDAM or SDB launched from an aircraft.
At the same time, it's more than enough range to launch in mainland China and loiter for hours over Taiwan for example.

So it would make sense for the manned aircraft fleet to focus on air superiority tasks.
And the bulk of ground attack would mainly be done by drones such as the Shaheed-136 or CH-series drones.

 

[vincent]

My view is large numbers of unpowered PGMs launched by aircraft are no longer required due to drones.

For example, Shaheed-136 type drones only cost $20K with a range of 1000-2000km.

That cost is cheaper than any JDAM or SDB launched from an aircraft.
At the same time, it's more than enough range to launch in mainland China and loiter for hours over Taiwan for example.

So it would make sense for the manned aircraft fleet to focus on air superiority tasks.
And the bulk of ground attack would mainly be done by drones such as the Shaheed-136 or CH-series drones.

A loitering drone with decent optics and satellite communications (needed for longer range attacks) will cost far higher than a simple drone like Shaheed with inertial + GPS guidance.

A cheaper solution is a drone with cellphone optics and image recognition software that attack certain kinds of targets within a geographic region automatically.

 

[Atomicfrog]

My view is large numbers of unpowered PGMs launched by aircraft are no longer required due to drones.

For example, Shaheed-136 type drones only cost $20K with a range of 1000-2000km.

That cost is cheaper than any JDAM or SDB launched from an aircraft.
At the same time, it's more than enough range to launch in mainland China and loiter for hours over Taiwan for example.

So it would make sense for the manned aircraft fleet to focus on air superiority tasks.
And the bulk of ground attack would mainly be done by drones such as the Shaheed-136 or CH-series drones.

It clearly make sense to use Shaheed if the target is static, not hardened and well known. You need more than that for the rest. Some SEAD capacity is nice to have too.

 

[AndrewS]

A loitering drone with decent optics and satellite communications (needed for longer range attacks) will cost far higher than a simple drone like Shaheed with inertial + GPS guidance.

A cheaper solution is a drone with cellphone optics and image recognition software that attack certain kinds of targets within a geographic region automatically.

Yes.

The overall point I'm making is that these types of drones are so cheap that it doesn't make sense for the PLAAF to invest in large numbers and types of PGMs launched from aircraft.

 

[AndrewS]

It clearly make sense to use Shaheed if the target is static, not hardened and well known. You need more than that for the rest. Some SEAD capacity is nice to have too.

Remember that a Shaheed is only $20K.

In comparison, a single HARM missile is $870K. So you could send 43 Shaheeds (with various guidance systems) for the same munition cost.

As I've mentioned before, the future of ground attack is predominantly drones of all sorts.

 

[Volpler11]

In comparison, a single HARM missile is $870K. So you could send 43 Shaheeds (with various guidance systems) for the same munition cost.

What are the reasons for the cost difference?