JH-7/JH-7A/JH-7B Thread

[crobato]

Re: JH-7/JH-7A Thread

You don't need a direct replacement for JH-7. Specialized aircraft are going out of the way of the dodo in favor of aircraft capable of a wide variety of roles.

Still there has something that you can say about aircraft that may seem obsolete. There is nothing there that says they cannot perform their jobs.

For example, a J-8II is still hard to catch even with an F-16 or Mirage 2000. With a decent radar and an active radar missile, a J-8II is still a potential threat even against more modern fighters.

A bomb truck role isn't one that necessitates the latest fighter design, just as you don't need th latest year car designs to go to the grocery. So I don't exactly see the JH-7A to be obsolete for the role it was envisioned. All you need is a plane with enough room for the avionics, and power to lift the plane and get away when in trouble. In fact, the PLAAF can best smartly utilize its obsolete inventory of J-7s and J-8s by turning them into fighter bombers.

 

[mehdi]

Re: JH-7/JH-7A Thread

Plz dnt insult the dodo I come from Mauritius. the dodo is I mean was from Here lol

 

[Chengdu J-10]

Re: JH-7/JH-7A Thread

For a recon jet your not supposed to fight. You're supposed to run. A plane like the J-8II is built for running.

Have you seen the movie Behind Enemy Lines (I know it just a movie) the F-18 reconassiance aircraft was under fire by some SAM's and it had to outmanuver the missles in order not to get hit. Now the J-8 is not known for its manuverability but moreso for its speed. Now the J-8 can travel at a speed of mach 2.2, but missles can travel way faster than this. Now as the F-18 travels at a speed of mach 1.8 it isn't fast enough but it has manuverability. The J-8 has speed but the missle will be faster so the J-8 has to manuver but it lacks in this. So if you were taking pictures and running away what happens if the missles are on you tail and you can't outrun them? Well there goes the aircraft along with all its reconassiance information. So I recon that the flankers, J-10 or JH-7 would be a good candidate for future reconassiance aircrafts.

 

[crobato]

Re: JH-7/JH-7A Thread

That's a horrible movie to begin with. The guy had no business to recon on a low alttiude that a small tactical SAM can get him.

Its really better to have aircraft that fly higher and faster to begin with, because the SAM has to work much more to get against such a plane. That's why the SR-71 and the MiG-31 (partially) serve as recon planes yet they're both not very maneuverable.

While a missle flies faster, it also runs out of fuel after a set distance, and the target plane has to reach that set distance before the missile does. So it helps flying fast and high.

It was a good choice to pick the J-8I for a recon jet to make the JZ-8. It would be better to use the J-8II afterwards. I heard stories that the J-8F or other J-8II may be turned to recon. That would be a good way to use excess older airframes.

 

[challenge]

Re: JH-7/JH-7A Thread

according to kanwa ,Shenyang aircraft using her experience in assemblying SU-27/J-11B to developing new gen. of fighter aircraft based on Su-27.
photograph published in early 2006 show side by side fghter bomber resemble Su-34.according to Kanwa, China has access to SU-34 aircraft.
the other solution was Chengdu,using the same J-10 design to sound out twin engine version.the engine still murky,some claim is WS-13,other WS-10.
both aircraft likely to replace JH-7 and J-8-3.

 

[Chengdu J-10]

Re: JH-7/JH-7A Thread

according to kanwa ,Shenyang aircraft using her experience in assemblying SU-27/J-11B to developing new gen. of fighter aircraft based on Su-27.
photograph published in early 2006 show side by side fghter bomber resemble Su-34.according to Kanwa, China has access to SU-34 aircraft.
the other solution was Chengdu,using the same J-10 design to sound out twin engine version.the engine still murky,some claim is WS-13,other WS-10.
both aircraft likely to replace JH-7 and J-8-3.

I doubt that it would replace the JH-7 as it is after all a pretty new aircraft to the PLAAF with modern equipments and a decent performance. I doubt that the expensive J-10 would replace the cheaper JH-7 role as it is to costly in sending in an J-10 to do a JH-7 job. While the JH-7 could do fine in. Replacing J-8 maybe

 

[Shulin Jiang]

Re: JH-7/JH-7A Thread

I think we should improve its radar, make it has a longer search rang and bebber tracking ability. Because it is an export plane, so we want to make it look good thus grant us more customers later in the future.

 

[Chengdu J-10]

Re: JH-7/JH-7A Thread

I think we should improve its radar, make it has a longer search rang and bebber tracking ability. Because it is an export plane, so we want to make it look good thus grant us more customers later in the future.

Make it look good? What are you trying to refer too? Customers don't look for the appearance of an aircraft they look at its specifications, unit cost, ability and performance. Are you sure that the JH-7 was build for export? I dont think so. The JH-7 was built to replace the Q-5 and H-5. The JH-7 was designed originaly for the PLAAF and PLANAF as a low-level, deep-penetration missions in all weather, day/night conditions with extensive electronic countermeasures (ECM) and terrain following abilities. Later the PLAAF had given up on the JH-7 while the PLANAF kept it going.

 

[tphuang]

Re: JH-7/JH-7A Thread

Make it look good? What are you trying to refer too? Customers don't look for the appearance of an aircraft they look at its specifications, unit cost, ability and performance. Are you sure that the JH-7 was build for export? I dont think so. The JH-7 was built to replace the Q-5 and H-5. The JH-7 was designed originaly for the PLAAF and PLANAF as a low-level, deep-penetration missions in all weather, day/night conditions with extensive electronic countermeasures (ECM) and terrain following abilities. Later the PLAAF had given up on the JH-7 while the PLANAF kept it going.

Actually, they have an export version called FBC-1, it just hasn't had any export orders yet. The poor countries probably find JH-7 too much of luxury. The richer countries don't find it fitting their requirements.

Anyhow, some rumours on JH-7A
" 飞豹机载雷达发现兰州黄河铁桥的距离超过三百八十公里，发现驱逐舰大小的海上目标的距离大于三百公里。这是题目：“歼击轰炸机设计中若干问题的思考”报告中说到的。

报告人：唐长红
中国航空一集团第一飞机设计研究院总师

时间：2004年7月11日上午9：00-11：00

地点：逸夫馆报告厅

主办单位：航空科学与工程学院

报告还提到飞豹服役以来在各种任务中共发射发舰导弹四十三枚，命中四十二枚。
这并不是秘密报告。"
basically saying that according to a AVIC I's developer, that JH-7 series has fired 43 anti-ship missiles since joining services and 42 has hit the target.
Also, JH-7's radar can detect bridge on Yellow River from 380 km away and find destroyer sized target from over 300 km away.

 

[adeptitus]

Re: JH-7/JH-7A Thread

The MiG-21/J-7 is mostly a point-defense fighter with very limited A2G capability. Technically it can be classified as a defensive weapon, since it doesn't have the range and payload for long-range strike missions anyway.

The JH-7 equipped with LGB's and AShM's, on the other hand, would definately qualify as an offensive weapon. Before you sell it, you have to ask yourself "is this guy going to use it to bomb his neighbor's dam/bridge/etc in pre-emptive attack?"

For example if the aircraft is exported to Sri Lanka, we might see on CNN video recording from Sri Lankan JH-7 dropping Chinese-made LGB's on Tamil Tiger positions, complete with IR vision, cross hair, little guys running on the ground, and a big bang and flash. Or worse, the aircraft is exported to Burma, and they used to bomb Thailand.