JH-7/JH-7A/JH-7B Thread

[MastanKhan]

The JH7 is not going to be sold to Pakistan.

Could Pakistan benefit from JH7s? Of course.

But would the gains justify the costs? Not really.

Considering that the type is out of production and existing airframes have been operational for some time, the only way there will be a sale is if the PLAAF/PLANAF retires part or all of their fleet.

That doesn’t seem on the cards for years yet, and by the time the PLAAF moves on, there won’t be many airframe hours left on existing birds.

Pakistan really doesn’t need the full capabilities of the JH7, nor does it have the support to make full use of these.

The biggest advantage the JH7 brings to the table that cannot be addressed by anything else already in the PAF’s existing inventory is range and payload. But the JH7 itself is a lumbering bomb truck. The AAMs it carries are pretty much a token gesture at best. So to fully exploit its range, you really need heavy, long range fighters to escort it, which the PAF lacks.

Similarly, the payload advantage of the JH7 is significantly hampered by China broadly following the rules of MRC despite not being a member by limiting export missiles to 300km range or less.

Without fighter support, JH7s would have little chance against fighter CAP from Indian carriers, so its range doesn’t really mean all that much.

Similarly, without big, ultra long range missiles to fully exploit its payload capabilities to fire, just what is the justification for having the type?

For countering the IN, Pakistan already has JF17s to carry the latest Chinese anti ship missiles and anything they might develop domestically in the short and medium term. In the long term, drones and subs are a much better investment.

Hi,

You have very poor understanding of air power---its strategic and tactical use---.

 

[MastanKhan]

Are you mad?? You are again diverting the discussion by questioning any opponent's credibility while at the same time posting nonsense and avoid all arguments.

It's exactly like claiming you've seen little green men on Mars and only you know it while you demand proof for the contrary from those who don't agree. A most lame argument and in fact embarrassing for such an old man of your standing.

Ok. I have as a poster exactly the same authority for such a claim like you, but I have the benefit of two arguments:

- the JH-7 is out of production.
- when ever delivered the PLAAF a dedicated offensive striker from own stocks to Pakistan?

Since you seem to rate yourself as a man of all-knowing, you surely can explain and answer.

And finally your tone is in no way friendly: You are always aggressive, insulting and rude against anyone with a different opinion. Just take a look at the most recent discussion at the PDF, where you constantly acted rude against others, you were calling for the Webmaster to shut us down ... and in the end "YOUR" thread was closed and you were banned.

So much on your way of acting in forums, the only difference here is, here are none or at best only a few of your horde of fan-boys, who support whatever BS you post ... or shall i remind to the discussion on systems , weapons and engines the JF-17 Block 3 can use?

Just in case someone whats a good laugh or eventually You could explain here why you agreed on all accounts?!

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Hi,

Strike aircraft have a very long life---. The USAF has brought out many a B52 bombers---mordernized them for the 21st century strike missions.

Keep your school teacher's job---weapons world is not for you.

 

[Deino]

Hi,

Strike aircraft have a very long life---. The USAF has brought out many a B52 bombers---mordernized them for the 21st century strike missions.

Keep your school teacher's job---weapons world is not for you.

Ok, genius ... let's keep it simple: Take this as an official warning!

Either you post a reply without any hidden or open insult and most of all without again avoiding any explanation to your most ridiculous claims or you are out. We are not the PDF and after you have been banned there from most threads (NOTE; Not by me!) exactly for the same reason and behaviour I promise you I'm not that patient like any of your former buddies that finally noticed you are nothing but an arrogant old man.

Therefore once again: Give a reply to your claims why "china won't give the JH7A's to pakistan for free" and even more how this could be done since:

- the JH-7 is out of production.
- when ever delivered the PLAAF a dedicated offensive striker from own stocks to Pakistan?

Otherwise you are out!

 

[Mohsin77]

Strike aircraft have a very long life---. The USAF has brought out many a B52 bombers---mordernized them for the 21st century strike missions.

Also, the B-52 isn't a "strike aircraft", you idiot. It's a strategic bomber.

 

[MastanKhan]

Also, the B-52 isn't a "strike aircraft", you idiot. It's a strategic bomber.

Hi,

manners make a man---. I have not addressed you in that manner---so please keeps in your limits---.

The old B52 was a bomber---the newer upgraded version is more of a strike platform than a bomber---.

 

[MastanKhan]

Ok, genius ... let's keep it simple: Take this as an official warning!

Either you post a reply without any hidden or open insult and most of all without again avoiding any explanation to your most ridiculous claims or you are out. We are not the PDF and after you have been banned there from most threads (NOTE; Not by me!) exactly for the same reason and behaviour I promise you I'm not that patient like any of your former buddies that finally noticed you are nothing but an arrogant old man.

Therefore once again: Give a reply to your claims why "china won't give the JH7A's to pakistan for free" and even more how this could be done since:

- the JH-7 is out of production.
- when ever delivered the PLAAF a dedicated offensive striker from own stocks to Pakistan?

Otherwise you are out!

Hi

Hello Deino---. You claimed years ago---no 054's for pakistan---pak has no funds---.

Yet the 054 got delivered and 3 more on the way---and the subs are coming as well---even though you claimed no money no delivery---.

 

[Mohsin77]

Hi,

manners make a man---. I have not addressed you in that manner---so please keeps in your limits---.

The old B52 was a bomber---the newer upgraded version is more of a strike platform than a bomber---.

You're the one who started being disrespectful to others who simply disagreed with you. And calling the B-52 a 'strike aircraft' and then defending that incorrect statement is typical of your behavior I've observed on multiple occasions. Like the time you claimed the Thunder is a 'top tier' fighter and then threw a tantrum. If you don't want people to disrespect you, then show respect to others first.

 

[Deino]

Hi

Hello Deino---. You claimed years ago---no 054's for pakistan---pak has no funds---.

Yet the 054 got delivered and 3 more on the way---and the subs are coming as well---even though you claimed no money no delivery---.

And once again you were twisting words, in fact you are lying.
Naval issues were never - and I always openly admit this - my matter. I only said that Pakistan will never get the Liaoning, 055s, J-15s, J-16s (or any Flanker) and especially not the J-20 in contrary to your claims that it only depends on Pakistan's will to get anything for free.

Similar there's de facto no chance to get your protracted JH-7A - or, sorry, by your claim always the JH-7B - even if they are long out of production.

As such, take this as your last chance to explain the above statements from you or face the consequences.

 

[Mohsin77]

Hi,

Technical & tactical information is technical & tactical information---. It has nothing to do with respect or disrespect. It is what it is.

Your level of understanding is dependent on the information that you have and how you decipher it but it also is based on how correct the information is that you got.

If the information you received is flawed information and yet you believe it to be the whole truth---arguing with me or insulting me---talking smart---acting intelligent or by calling me names would not change you assessment.

Weapons world and weapons information is an extremely devious world---there is no whole truth or whole lie in it---.

You have ZERO understanding of anything technical or tactical. Anyone who claims the JF-17 is a 'top tier' fighter, or that the B-52 is a 'strike aircraft' shouldn't be lecturing anyone on the 'weapon's world.'

And since you failed to justify another one of your ridiculous statements, I do hope @Deino takes decisive action to put an end to your childish antics.

 

[timepass]

Hi

Hello Deino---. You claimed years ago---no 054's for pakistan---pak has no funds---.

Yet the 054 got delivered and 3 more on the way---and the subs are coming as well---even though you claimed no money no delivery---.

Yes ...... I am the one who posted the 054 induction in PN news years back ...... I wish I could dig out that post .....

And then at that time immediately, I was taken to task by few pseudo intellectuals with same old mantra (it's a top tier FFG etc etc) as usual ......